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Originally posted by syracusa,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Another questioin would be: what did she do after her twins turned 10-12 yo? As suburbanite was saying earlier (and I agree), there is no reason for a woman not to work after her kids are older and in school. The the stay-at-home mom become just lazy, at best interested in things that DON'T MATTER. Such as how to decorate the house better, etc? [/b]

You assume that everyone who does not have a job while their children are in school is lazy. What about community service, volunteer work, taking classes, doing things to enrich yourself, being a Big Brother/Big Sister, et cetera? Lack of a job (or having a job) does not inherently make one lazy (or not lazy)

Originally posted by syracusa,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Working an 8-5 job (which most of the times goes beyind 5) IS harder than being a mother and no, being a mother is not "a real job" in this system, no matter how much we insist otherwise. No matter how much time, attention and energy it takes - you do all that stuff because you CHOSE to do it, because you wanted "mini-me's" and now you want them to turn out better and more succesful than 99% of the other "mini-people". "Earning a living" does not equate "earning mini-you's." Again: CAN'T live without earning a living. CAN live without making, having and raising offspring. [/b]

Again: Wrong. While a particular individual may survive without having offspring, the species will not survive if we stop having offspring. As far as earning a living. You can live just fine without earning a living. What did people do before complex economic systems existed? Our existance proves that somehow they survived long enough to produce offspring without earning a living. I submit that with enough thinking and some careful consideration, I could live the rest of my life without a job. What do I really need that can't be found in nature?

By the way syracusa, you should pull up your arguments... your bias is showing. In this case, the bias is from someone who does not have children and has also been soured on careers by her own (extremely limited) 6-month foray into the world of the working stiff. 6 months of menial work at one job does not represent the sum total of working people. You might be surprised to know that a great many people rather enjoy their jobs. I have what might be considered to be a crappy job: I work retail in wireless phone sales while attending school. But you know what? I actually enjoy my job. I get a sense of accomplishment and I like the people I work with. Would I rather be sipping margaritas on a tall sailing ship in the Caribbean? Of course, but I'd get bored of that, too.


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As a stay-at-home, you are master of your own domain, you've got power over those little mini-you's, you are not in a position where other adults have power over you, threaten to fire you, or to sanction you if you don't deliver whatever by the deadline, etc.You also do not know what it feels like to bear the pressure that if you get fired, the family won't eat anymore.

Moreover, the mom/housewife "job" is very diverse, it is not monotonous and specialized on one single dumb activity that paralyzes your bones in front of a computer all day; you get to do a lot of things, you can get out of the house whenever you want, you can go shop, run errands, etc, have a sense of freedom. It is a GOOD LIFE. [/quote]

See my above reference. Also, you may be somewhat free as a stay-at-home mom to do things, but don't forget that whatever you're doing, the baby has to be with you, and not just along with you but really WITH you, i.e. getting your mostly undivided attention whenever you leave home.

Furthermore, both my current "job" and my desired "career" (which I am exposed to through my internship with the Public Defender's Office) are VERY diverse, almost to the point of being confusing. Neither one requires or expects you to perform a single "dumb" activity in front of a computer all day. In my job in sales, I can get out of the store/office almost whenever i want to go visit clients, have lunch, et cetera. I have a tremendous sense of freedom, working for straight commission will give that to you. I truly make my own destiny.

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The man or a working woman (who NEEDS to be working) has no choice. You cannot get to hate your kids but you CAN get to hate your boss, your colleagues, what you do, etc. And still have to put up with it becasue again, YOU and the FAMILY must eat. [/quote]

Once again, my internship with the Public Defender's Office has allowed me to witness that people certainly can hate their kids. Cases of child abandonment, abuse, murder, and more are all committed against children by their parents. If that doesn't evince at least a de facto hate for your children, I don't know what does.

In regards to eating and money, ask Ted Nugent how much money he spent buying meat last year. None, he hunts and kills everything his family eats.