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darwinist · Dec 14, 2003, 06:17 am

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I do not think that children would learn on their own to limit greed, because greed in children is more than just consumption. We teach our children to play fairly with others and share toys with them. We teach our children not to steal things or lie to get what they want. Infact, I would say that greed stays with many children until they mature past the point of rebellion. More or less, acting out in one's own self-interest when it greatly inconveniances others - without any care or consideration to this at all - is greedy. Teenagers are guilty of this on numerous occasions, and they are not "children".<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Interesting points. You have made more progress in 'convincing' me. Then *ENT's rants. But i am not totally convinced.

In Sociobiology, Which this whole issue stems from. Even the leading protagonist goes on to say:-

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On paper, the critics were sometimes just as extreme. Fifteen cosigners of a statement in the New York Review of Books dismissed Wilson’s book as the latest attempt to reinvigorate theories which in the past “provided an important basis for the enactment of sterilization laws and . . . the eugenics policies which led to the establishment of gas chambers in Nazi Germany.” By the time Wilson deplored “this ugly, irresponsible, and totally false accusation,” he surely had the vast majority of scientists on his side. He was accused of being a “determinist,” but nowhere had he said that human behavior was determined by the genes. “In rough terms,” he explained, “I see maybe 10 percent of human behavior as genetic and 90 percent as environmental.”<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

So even if 'greed' is a basic underlining trait. Then it has been encouraged more under our current culture.

Also remember, we still have no clue as to the workings of the subconscious. They is speculation that at an age in the womb. We all become receiptive to our enviroment. Perhaps even beginning to learn our 'ways' before we are even born.

More so, that the point in our lives. When we are the most receiptive, is between the ages:- of being born and 2 years old. This is when we 'learn' the most. By the time we become 'teenagers' the "damage" has long since been done.

Dec 14, 2003, 06:17 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
darwinist Igneous Magma Location: Netherlands Posts: 200	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I do not think that children would learn on their own to limit greed, because greed in children is more than just consumption. We teach our children to play fairly with others and share toys with them. We teach our children not to steal things or lie to get what they want. Infact, I would say that greed stays with many children until they mature past the point of rebellion. More or less, acting out in one's own self-interest when it greatly inconveniances others - without any care or consideration to this at all - is greedy. Teenagers are guilty of this on numerous occasions, and they are not "children".<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Interesting points. You have made more progress in 'convincing' me. Then ENT's rants. But i am not totally convinced. In Sociobiology, Which this whole issue stems from. Even the leading protagonist goes on to say:- </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by* On paper, the critics were sometimes just as extreme. Fifteen cosigners of a statement in the New York Review of Books dismissed Wilson’s book as the latest attempt to reinvigorate theories which in the past “provided an important basis for the enactment of sterilization laws and . . . the eugenics policies which led to the establishment of gas chambers in Nazi Germany.” By the time Wilson deplored “this ugly, irresponsible, and totally false accusation,” he surely had the vast majority of scientists on his side. He was accused of being a “determinist,” but nowhere had he said that human behavior was determined by the genes. “In rough terms,” he explained, “I see maybe 10 percent of human behavior as genetic and 90 percent as environmental.”<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> So even if 'greed' is a basic underlining trait. Then it has been encouraged more under our current culture. Also remember, we still have no clue as to the workings of the subconscious. They is speculation that at an age in the womb. We all become receiptive to our enviroment. Perhaps even beginning to learn our 'ways' before we are even born. More so, that the point in our lives. When we are the most receiptive, is between the ages:- of being born and 2 years old. This is when we 'learn' the most. By the time we become 'teenagers' the "damage" has long since been done. What goes 'up', must come 'down', unless it goes around and round.