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Originally posted by Young, Peter was crucified upside down.

Really? Why would I want to know that?!

Most of your theories come from Brown,

Actually not a single one of them does, as I have never read The Da Vinci Code!

Rather, Dan Brown's theories comes from a number of other sources, as do mine, which serves as a reflection of the increasing awareness among the people of the world about these ideas.

My understanding comes from Leigh and Baigent ("Dead Sea Scrolls Conspiracy", "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", "The Messianic Legacy"), Sir Laurence Gardner ("Bloodline of the Holy Grail", "Genesis of the Grail Kings", "Realm of the Ring Lords", "Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark") and Dr Barbara Thiering, ("Jesus the Man", "The Book That Jesus Wrote - John's Gospel")

In all, four main authors. None of them being Brown. My bookcase(s) also includes masses of reference works which I use to confirm for myself the ideas of the authors aforementioned.

but his books are very popular,

I agree his books are very popular. And this is a very interesting point. WHY? The book has an appeal, evidently, that seems to touch nearly everyone. What is it that people are finding so satisfying in the ideas the book presents?

It's as simple as this: The bible stories used to be perfect, inasmuch as they fulfilled their purpose, which was to bring hope and faith to the people of the world.

Then the world changed. People who were themselves religious nonetheless efforted to find other ways to understand the world. We came to understand the earth was not the centre of the universe, and it's existence did not necessarily require devine authorship.

A few hundred years later and the world has changed so much that we are taught in schools that science comes first, and the only way to understand something is to test it, to question it, to verify it.

That goes against the core requirements of religion: that you don't question, but take things on faith. Proof is only required by those who are weak of faith, alledgedly.

Bottom line: we live in a world of science, but have a religious past that doesn't really make much sense to us in our scientific thinking. Dan Brown's book is popular because it looks back through history and shows people what might have been going on behind the scenes, that there may have been a select few who were running the entire stage of our relatively recent human history.

What people crave today is understanding. We want to know, more than ever, why we are here and how we got here. Religion provides only religious accounts of our past, which are largely unverifiable. There is hope in all of us that some secret society might hold secret information about our history that is scientifically understandable.

and some of your theories can be seen as Fact.

I'm glad we agree!

How is it You can't believe in Jesus? What would Jesus being Married to Mary change?

You haven't read all of the posts, evidently. I did describe my assertions previously that none of what I say should take away from those who have faith. And like you say, Jesus being married does nothing to the perception of his nature that might shake one's faith.

Why is it even important?

It is important because it has shaped the world. This little story of this one man has served as the foundation for most of Western society for 2000 years. Everything we are is built upon a story that, increasingly, seems to have been told less than accurately.

For example, Jesus was a very, very important man in REAL history. He existed then as much as I do now. There's no question of that, or of his importance.

Now, he was part of a blood-line that goes right back to the earliest origins of civilisation. That bloodline has been the ROYAL bloodline which has served mankind with kings since the beginning.

The kings of this line all held the exact same kind of philosophy as Jesus, which Laurence Gardner calls, "The Grail Code". The notion of kingship in this sense is that a king exists to *serve* the people, the people should not serve the kings, as they do today.

In the first times, people loved their kings. Now we elect them, then we elect someone else when we're tired of them. Todays kings, call the presidents, Prime Ministers, or whatever, are just feeble men, selected out of the herd according to their seeming appropriateness. They are not kings, they are not worthy leaders of men.

That Jesus married is *so* important, because it is also true that Jesus bore children from that marriage, and that descendents of those children are alive to this very day.

These are the men who belong on our thrones, on the throne of the world. But their titles and rights were usurped by Constantine and Saul/Paul, who took the ideas of Jesus and utterly perverted them into the mixture of Judaism and Paganism that we today call Catholic Christianity; a religion based not on Jesus or his life, but on a falseified "Donation of Constantine" which has been used as justification for 2000 years for evil and greedy men to do whatsoever they pleased in Jesus' name.

Got it!?

The story of Jesus was recorded by more than the writers of the Bible, and it was so powerful that the news trickeled to Rome where it Founded Christianity amid very horrible repurcussions.

Hang on. Who mentions Jesus outside the bible? The only person I know of who wrote extensively about Judea at the time of Jesus was Flavius Josephus, a man who was *actually there*, and who wrote not a single word about Jesus.

That said, I still think he existed.

After seeing The Passion, i find that sometimes now i refer to Jesus by the name that those of His time called Him.....Yeshwa.

"Yeshwa"?!

You know Mel Gibson isn't renowned for his historical accuracy in the movies he makes!

The correct spelling, as I understand it, is Yehoshua. Hebrew names are made up of Hebrew words, and Jesus (Yehoshua) is made up of the word for God and the word for Saves; Jehovah Saves.

Try it sometime, Prayers are more direct this way.

Direct to who, Mel Gibson?!

Heavenly Father Jehova who art in Heaven

Don't get me started on the Lord's Prayer!

Did you know it is copied from an Egyptian prayer to Amon? I will get you a copy, and show you them both.