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Old Sep 16, 2009, 01:15 pm   #476 (permalink)
tengers
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The identity of the designer is irrelevant. It works by manipulating outcomes (making choices) to direct physical materials and forces into achieving a goal. Humans do this all the time when they plan, design, and build things.
Well then this is simple, for we are both looking for "it". In your case, you believe "it" is "alive", so to speak, and is somehow manipulating an entire universe over distances of perhaps 90 or so billion light years, moving maybe 60 to 100 Billion galaxies with about 40 or 50 sextillion stars. That is an impressive feat. Of course, "it" would not necessarily need to be a single "it" . There could be a variety of "its", but that would not play well in the Baptist sector.

I see this as a tall order for any kind of "it", especially when you have to do this non-stop for at least 14 Billion years. On the other hand, maybe it could be like a bowling ball and once set in motion, the outcome is determined, but that would clash with the idea of free-will and that would not make a lot of Christians happy, but it would more or less support believers in pre-destination.

And in fairness, in my case, I have no idea what makes "it" work, but I don't think "it" has quite that amount of reach or power.
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