[Meleagar]

Quote by: Jack Not the name, no. But it does matter to know the nature of the creator. Were they made by ancient people or some dude in his garage last Thursday? In other words, are they authentic artifacts or forgeries? You can't answer that without some knowledge of who made them.

Sure you can. Forgeries of all kinds of items are discovered without knowing who created them. While the fundamental ID theory doesn't make any claims about any designer, other kinds of investigations - forensics, detective work, archaelogy, paleontology, etc. - can be used to determine facts about designers in any particular case.

Yet to develop a complete theory of gravity there is a need to determine the fundamentals of gravitation. We can study the effects, but that doesn't lead to a full understanding of the mechanics of gravity.

So? I can match your obsession with "who is the designer" with "what created gravity", and it would be as irrelevent when it comes to using either as explanations for any particular phenomena. If we can't say that gravity caused something without first saying what caused gravity, we'd have to throw out all science that uses gravity, because we don't know what caused it.

"Who the designer is" is a red herring, nothing more, that anti-ID advocates use to derail or avoid discussion about the actual theory and the actual science and logic involved.