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Old Sep 10, 2004, 05:12 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
Nono
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Originally posted by Liberty Landing
We are not watched constantly by 4,000,000 close-circuit surveillance cameras (as in Britain).
How many then? You can't be claiming there aren't any. I've seen them. I'll bet there are a lot more in the States. But, like you, I'm guessing.

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We have legal access to firearms (unlike many western nations).
Which, precisely, deprives Americans of the freedom to go about their business without fear of death by armed lunatic, a freedom widely enjoyed by the citizens of other Western democracies. I cherish that particular freedom.

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Until recently, we had fewer restrictions on political speech (thanks a lot, McCain-Feingold). I think we still might, but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure either. In fact I strongly doubt it. But even if you could demonstrate superior de jure freedoms, what is the situation in practice? For example, I know no-one in other democracies who hesitates to express his political opinions in e-mails. But I've heard precisely that fear expressed in the US since 911. And -- this isn't scientifically verifiable of course, but a matter of observation -- in most parts of the States there is enormous de facto pressure to keep your mouth shut in public unless you're planning to express 'correct' views.

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We do not prohibit certain parties from participating in the political process just because we disapprove of their message (Germany).
No need to (see tusaki's point) since they're all marginalized by the money-driven coporate propaganda system and, if need be, by 'other means'.
I agree that it's unfortunate the Germans ban this and that. Hopefully with time they'll feel more sure-footed as a mature democracy and lift those bans. In the meantime a far, far broader range of political views is expressed every day in the mainline German media than you ever see in the US. That's a fact.

A great deal about the system in the US is admirable, but this snooty "we're freer" attitude is really too much.


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