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Originally posted by Scribbler1,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Scribbler1,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Technosoul,
Sribbler,
Not sure if Albert came up with his ideas because he wanted to help out the war effort with nuclear bombs or not, but to save time I will not question your data by demanding proof. |
Good thing you're NOT demanding proof, because I didn't even MENTION Einstein. But for the record, Einstein was a devoted pacifist and didn't write the famous letter to Roosevelt until AFTER Leo Szilard and Edward Teller convinced them that Germany would end up with the A-Bomb. Einstein, being Jewish, was terrified Hitler would get the bomb first. Besides, it was Enrico Fermi and J. Robert Oppenheimer (and a few others who I can't recall right now) who were the big shots behind the A-Bomb.
How did you arrive at 75 years?
Don't you think those countries WOULD have developed advanced weaponry if they COULD? You are not considering the reality of the situation. You leave out the four things necessary for such weapons development. A strong government, a large military, the necessary resources and a lot of money. WE had all four. So did Germany, Japan and England, among others. Now look at the countries which were routinely invaded. Most of them were lucky if they had TWO of the necessary factors. And I didn't even mention the scientific minds behind the weapons, most of whom were concentrated in the abovementioned countries.
I hope the rest of your technical knowledge isn't as faulty as this. If you think the typewriter evolved directly into the computer, I doubt I could explain to you how it DIDN'T. However, FWIW the earlier analog computers weren't even accessed with a keyboard.
(sigh) The smaller desk model computers (minicomputers) were originally the Commodore PET (Personal Electronic Transactor) and the IBM PC. The Greatful Dead's audiences were influenced by colored oils on an overhead projector.
That makes no sense at all.
(sigh-sigh) You have that totally backward. The technology for war was not MISused at all. It was CREATED for war, and used for peaceful, uses AFTERWARDS, and I don't refer to the technologies I mentioned, such as the space program as "gadgets".
And guess what, you are right about Japan. Japan DIDN'T have any military when they successfuly marketed these "gadgets"...because we had already BEATEN them in WW2!! THAT'S why they didn't have a military, we wouldn't LET THEM have one, mainly because they were kicking our asses when they DID!
And before you mention Japan and the Transistor again, be aware that it was invented in 1948 by Bell Labs and only marketed by the Japanese.
I would think 1899 is pushing it a bit when describing the 1800's, but whatever.
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So that is my come-back rebuttle, whatcha think?
Technosoul. |
Needs just a smidgen more research, my friend.[/b][/quote]
(1) So do you think the military boys could have made the first A Bomb if Albert Einstien had not done the science first?
(2) How did I arrive at 75 years? I gave extra time because things were starting to perk in the late 1800s and during the 1920s. Relative to technology as Henry Ford mass produced cars, radios and wind up record players were invented and the such. But things did not speed up until the 1950s as we got black and white TV and a number of electric things, and all the things invented from 1960 to date have been nearly beyond belief, like at top speed and vastly impressive. And not just with inventions but in many fields.
(3) You mentioned the four factors needed to produce weapons of war, and I would assume you also mean the spin-off technologies for the private sector.
But did wars produce those four factors? Was not Henry Ford already making cars and were airplanes not already invented? (In fact Henry Ford was active exchanging informtion with Germany before we got involved in the war). However, I do think the war happening in Germany and our choice to help out England and others gave industry a big push, at the time just before that we had experienced a depression and had countless out of work people, the war changed all that, some were drafted but others worked hard in factories and whatever to all the equipment, jeeps, planes, radios, military clothing, and so forth. With that we developed a lot of production skills because we had to work fast to catch up. Many have said that we have a economy based on war for that historical reason. I hope you are somewhat aware of some of the statements I made so I do not have search for weblinks. So as the wars closed out a bit in the 1950s we had all these production and industral skills in place, which were turned towards making things for the home and office, etc.
And so, I would agree that the wars with Germany and Japan, and even Korea perhaps, stemulated production skills and that in turn resulted, over a few short years, to our era of modern technology. That favored also other countries involved in those conflicts who also learned they could "do a lot" if motivated. Japan, Russia, Germany, and others. The cold war following also motivated the continued arms race and related technology relative to spying as well as the famous "race to the moon".
One small example happened of late. I once was protecting the classified night vision technology but then when the cold war ended Clinton cut funding and so they had to make it unclassified, selling it too police departments and later for private useage, and to other countries, that started somewhat what Clinton called the "information age". Selling ideas like "night vision" to China and elsewhere and we had eager buyers world wide for our formerly classified research. Bin Laden sent in order for some boxcutters (last line a not-so-funny joke).
And so I can see where you are coming from and so history books should perhaps explain that part of our current history. But do not think the same case would appply to all wars in the past, which were more of an religious expression then as a science based secular movement.
(5) I know that they had the original computers such as you mentioned. My anology was about the computers such as we use to go on-line. Sometimes discos and such were illuminated with lights dancing on the walls produced by projectors, but they also made them to go inside a TV set. We had one make to made special inside something else for our wall, it was a computer and you plug into the record player and each different sound produced causes the screen to light up with a different color of light. The high tones would be brighter lights like yellows, and the bass sounds would be dark colors. We had a strobe light also connected for very high pitched sounds. And that home use item simulated the lights we think about behind a Jefferson Airplane or Greatful Dead concert.
(6) You said that makes no sense at all, I assume you are talking about the weblink with information about bats having radar and a computer brain to "see" with that natual technology. Clearly bat radar was not because of wars. Bats fly ( like airplanes) and use radar to target insects and fruit, etc. The study of nature in fact gives us many of the ideas we use for our own technology, and people would study nature even during peaceful times. When the native saw that a tree limb when bent down would spring back to it original state, the bow and arrow idea was born, the arrow became the first type of "rocket ship", as we learned about better fuels (such as gun powder) we could add more power behind the new "arrow heads" (aka bullets) and as one idea evolved into another idea we ended up with rocket ships.
But it makes sense that this all came about first through our study of nature and then applied for whatever purpose we needed at the time.
As well much was the manifested destiny for the powers of imagination. Ages before Kennedy announced the space race to the moon people have imagined it.
We had mythological stores about it (witches on brooms) and science fiction books (First man on the moon), and much more which was common to all cultures.
Thusly, through imagination, the momentum was already in motion within the human consciousness, and such seeding someday comes to light and the flowers bloom from that ground. Even our latest war with Iraq was born out of imagination and not factual reality.
The jet airplane is realistically a bird brain idea.
"Houston, the "Eagle" has landed".
Perhaps we found some agreements and perhaps not, but that is my latest re-butt. Whatcha' think?
Technsoul.