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Technosoul · Sep 7, 2004, 01:52 pm

That was a very good report that you collected and your new webpage should be interesting - make sure you also explain it in very simple terms for those who might not have a lot of knowledge about it.

I think if we could total up all the taxes we pay, income tax, sales taxes, and the taxes included in the price of the product being passed on to the consumer, we would be very surprised indeed. Just the knowledge that gasoline at the pumps is said to be 30 percent tax is a bit of an eye-opener. I would not be a bit surprised if at least 60 percent of out total income ends up going for taxes alone. If we stop to think about it that means we are working for free 60 percent of our work day (if you base it on hourly wage). This means that 60 percent of our time worked we are salve workers for the government (which may or may not go for road upkeep or other things that must be done collectivly that is needed by all of us collectivly and individually), but none the less, it is mandatory and not by choice that we work on Uncle Sam's cotton farm for free like in slavery, even if the plantation gives us some bread and water rewards to stay alive, it is still slavery.

Meanwhile we shell out money for other services we already paid for with taxes - we pay parking tickets to fund the police. We pay permits, interest on credit cards, fees the bank withholds, deposits on cans and bottles that they never refund to us in full. Insurance and a hundred and one other deductions over the real cost of the product or service at it's basic value. And as a topping we might even have to pay someone to fill out our tax forms for us out of fear of doing it wrong our self. And when you get around to adding in all those mandatory fees, permits, fines, union dues, insurance deductions, and what have you .... you end up oweing the system another three years of work just to cover what you spent last year over the real costs of living. Like in that song "sixteen tons", oweing our soul to the company store. Then as a kicker we donate money to some political party thinking they will change things? More lost wages.

And this rant is just about one single aspect of your total message posted above.

I could change the words of that song by Country Joe and the Fish and sing "what are we working for, next stop we're in a jam".

Now I would not suggest I am totally for complete freedom or liberation from all that, I would like those pot holes repaired now and then. But lets not go broke doing it, is it possible to streamline all those deductions down to about 20 percent of our total income instead of the 60 percent and perhaps even the "in debt" percentage (concidering complete total) we are now obligated to hand over (as a person earning a normal income reflective of the majority of the population)?

I will be back to rant and rave more about the examples you provided us with.

Technosoul.

Sep 7, 2004, 01:52 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,936	That was a very good report that you collected and your new webpage should be interesting - make sure you also explain it in very simple terms for those who might not have a lot of knowledge about it. I think if we could total up all the taxes we pay, income tax, sales taxes, and the taxes included in the price of the product being passed on to the consumer, we would be very surprised indeed. Just the knowledge that gasoline at the pumps is said to be 30 percent tax is a bit of an eye-opener. I would not be a bit surprised if at least 60 percent of out total income ends up going for taxes alone. If we stop to think about it that means we are working for free 60 percent of our work day (if you base it on hourly wage). This means that 60 percent of our time worked we are salve workers for the government (which may or may not go for road upkeep or other things that must be done collectivly that is needed by all of us collectivly and individually), but none the less, it is mandatory and not by choice that we work on Uncle Sam's cotton farm for free like in slavery, even if the plantation gives us some bread and water rewards to stay alive, it is still slavery. Meanwhile we shell out money for other services we already paid for with taxes - we pay parking tickets to fund the police. We pay permits, interest on credit cards, fees the bank withholds, deposits on cans and bottles that they never refund to us in full. Insurance and a hundred and one other deductions over the real cost of the product or service at it's basic value. And as a topping we might even have to pay someone to fill out our tax forms for us out of fear of doing it wrong our self. And when you get around to adding in all those mandatory fees, permits, fines, union dues, insurance deductions, and what have you .... you end up oweing the system another three years of work just to cover what you spent last year over the real costs of living. Like in that song "sixteen tons", oweing our soul to the company store. Then as a kicker we donate money to some political party thinking they will change things? More lost wages. And this rant is just about one single aspect of your total message posted above. I could change the words of that song by Country Joe and the Fish and sing "what are we working for, next stop we're in a jam". Now I would not suggest I am totally for complete freedom or liberation from all that, I would like those pot holes repaired now and then. But lets not go broke doing it, is it possible to streamline all those deductions down to about 20 percent of our total income instead of the 60 percent and perhaps even the "in debt" percentage (concidering complete total) we are now obligated to hand over (as a person earning a normal income reflective of the majority of the population)? I will be back to rant and rave more about the examples you provided us with. Technosoul.