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Quote by: SoylentGreen . In this case the word "better" is synonymous with survival, and survival depends on the ability to adapt and change. Your wrong in three points . his claim was that struggle is a necessary evolutionary process.

I didn't say it wasn't, and I don't see how I'm wrong what I said. I simply stated Marx's view on historical materialism and where I thought it was lacking. I didn't even make 3 points.

Evolution is a natural force not one that was designed to make things better for man. Evolution only stops when the species is extinct, So anarchism is not the final model.

There is no design to evolution, it is simply a word that describes a process. Humans and human societies evolve as well, and when our societies evolve they are more adapt at surviving, or "better".

i thought it was spot on. Who are you to say what the limits of freedom are?

You're getting sidetracked. We weren't talking about limits on freedom, we were talking about the possibility of a scenario (idealist non-government, anarchist society) existing. You argued that before universal suffrage, people never thought women would/should vote which is an obvious straw man argument because it is completely rational that in a democratic society women should have the right to vote. You tried to lump the probability of universal suffrage happening with the probability of an ideal Marxist society occurring. The two probabilities are COMPLETELY incomparable. The arguments for why women shouldn't vote were completely irrational, so it is not astounding at all that universal suffrage came about.