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Quote by: grandpa  It's a simple idea; the survival of the whole should take precedence over individual greed. And, in order to assure that society survives, individual needs and self-determination should be respected and protected. It's a pretty simple and general principle -- hardly "utopian." |
Comrade. Surprisingly I find myself agreeing with "the survival of the whole should take precedence over individual greed." Though you have made no allowances for corporate, bureaucratic, and political greed. You have eschewed profit as desirable and I think you equate profit with greed. How should I distinguish the difference?
Profit yields wealth for personal stability and security. Greed uses wealth as an enabling power to rule over others. The power to tell people how to run their lives. The power to forcefully take the fruits of other's labors and to solidify the ruler's power until the populace is no better than slaves. The big bankers are the major players in this concept of greed. The politicians, all too willing accomplices whose pre-election rhetoric embraces change for the good of the nation only to dissolve post-election to the using of the nations resources for the good of their political party. The media moguls, the brokers of the scheme, shape, filter, and disseminate censored information to the populace.
Consensual collectivism? Yes. Force it, however, and we're going in the dirt. But you probably know that and realize that slow is the way to go. By working within, controlling communications, subtly playing on human emotions and fears, exaggerating small differences between people to significant threats, pushing those fears to hysteria so as to create divisions in the nation, and so separate the populace that teetering at the abyss of chaos, the call will come from the people themselves for the stable secure life style of the slave. Those insidious techniques eventually result in the demand of the blinded populace to be led into the hands of the planner masters. They are blinded by the quiet elimination of constitutional principals that would protect us from the evils that are inherent in government. Case in point, the elimination of real money with intrinsic value for the paper of today whose only worth is as an acceptable form of tax payments.
The United Way is an acceptable example of consensual collectivism in action. But, comrade, I may be abusing the term "collectivism." Do you have references to collectivism that embrace your use of the term? What sacrifices does collectivism demand of the individual? Of the State?
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Quote by: grandpa And the United Nations is not collectivist, at least not as I understand the term. |
Dong chi. Are there any nations that embrace your collectivist ideology politically? Vietnam? Cuba? Venezuela? China?