[Dan_77]

Quote by: ironeagle It isn't about wether it should or should not be illegal to move from one place to another,

Of course it is. You think it should be illegal to move from one place to another.

::cold war Russian accent:: "Papers please!"

Nothing could be a more preposterous law than one that makes it illegal to shuffle a human being from one side of an arbitrary invisible line to the other.

it is about the fact that it IS illegal to enter our country the wrong way,

So our government is 100% right in every action it makes? Every law is perfect and should be obeyed to the letter?

You've broken laws. I've broken laws. We all have. You simply cannot justify an argument that something should be illegal and punishable merely because it is illegal. It's circular reasoning and it's a logical fallacy.

and it's about the fact we need to have control over the population to some degree,

Why?

and take care first, of our citizens and let in others when we can support their numbers better.

Nonsense. Once again, it amazes me how many people - like yourself, as I have seen in other debates here - call themselves "capitalists", call themselves "free market" fans, call themselves Americans, yet suddenly when it comes to apply the same principles to the LABOR market as to the markets for GOODS and SERVICES, all of a sudden they're all about tight government controls.

"Support their numbers"??? Do you have even a scintilla of evidence to suggest that our country is "full"? Since immigrants contribute more than they take, more immigrants means more support for others. It's called the free market. Immutable laws of economics do not disappear just because you don't like their effects (i.e. more hispanics coming here)

A person from Mexico or Canada or where ever should not have the right to be free from arrest when they break the law, just because they didn't like living in the country they came from. MattW do you want me to go back to DHS and take a picture of the sign?

I like how you throw in "Canada" so you don't sound racist. That's good.

Quote by: Zeebadee The hypocrisy is all yours. In your second sentence you make the point about the costs of illegal immigration. In your last, you play the race card. It's you that makes the attempt to tie opposition to illegal immigration to color.

It is tied. That should be obvious from the fact that the crackdown on all fronts is entirely based on removing "illegal" immigrants of hispanic descent from the country.

No one is suggesting building a fence across the Canadian border or passing "English only" laws to stop all the Quebecois from coming here.

No one is suggesting we start rounding up and deporting scores of eastern Europeans or Asians who come here.

As for "There are no facts to assert that immigrants do anything even close to costing the country more than they contribute", that's pure unadulterated garbage, as I suspect you know and try to ignore. A simple Google will bring up innumerable links to documented costs that illegal immigrants impose on citizen-taxpayers. We've been through this subject many times in many threads. I'm not even going to bother posting any links, having done so so often in past threads with RMNunez.

Right. So you have nothing. Post ignored.