| Bacon Guy, please bear with me here because I haven't got the hang of quoting yet. I'll show your comments with quotation marks and your name.
Bacon:"Hired childcare isn't essential. Plumbing, electricals etc. are. Hence, the latter can demand more pay because people have no choice"
Me: Another dismissal of the importance of parenting in place of a sound argument. In what universe is childcare a non-essential for a sole support mother, or a two parent family in which they need both incomes to get by?
Bacon: "It's just an example, Left. You don't have to take every part of it literally and assume I consider child bearing to be a crime."
Me; Okay. I tend to play shrink too much and look for hidden meanings. Slap me if get out of hand. ;-)
Bacon: "It depends what they want out of life, so it's entirely their choice. However, like I said, with choice comes responsibility."
Me: The continuation of the species is not a choice. It is a biological imperative. Both the individual ~and~ society at large have a responsibility in it.
Bacon: "Ad hominem speculation."
Me: Yep, but I think motives are important, because they help illustrate that an argument reflects a rationalization rather than a genuine belief. I don't think you genuinely believe society should have zero responsibility for supporting parenting. You seem intelligent enough to know that a society like that could not flourish.
Bacon: "That's a big if. Other than to try to discredit it, I don't think you have any reason to believe that my stance would be any different were the gender roles reversed."
Me: The barely concealed disdain which I believe you have displayed, and continue to display, towards women with children, is what leads me to believe it. Like I said, this is important because I think your arguments thus far amount to rationalizations and value judgments. I'd like to get past that to something objective.
Please note that I'm not trying to discredit you or insult you. Rationalizing is something we all do and we need other people to alert us when we slip into it. |