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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,)
You are the one spouting some metaphysical creator, not I. What the hell are you arguing here?


I say the US was founded as a Seclular Nation. I have evidence from the writings of the founding fathers. You are presenting the same evidence to knock down a strawman you set up that has nothing to do with the problem today.

I do not disagree that there were christians, diests and who knows what else, it doesn't matter. They all agreed on a Secular Government. Congress would stay out of religion and religion stays out of government. There is no religious test for anyone to hold office.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

read the declaration and the other documents, the founders were spouting the metaphysical creator...

I say the US was founded as a constitutional republic to protect the rights given to the citizens by a metaphysical entity. that metaphysical right granting entity insures a degree of spirituality or non-worldlyness at the base of the government which denies the claim that it could be a secular government.

I have evidence from the writings of the founding fathers that says the US is not a secular nation. No, they did not agree on a secular government. while it is correct that they said that government would not establish any religion, it is not possible for religion to stay out of government. religious people vote and hold political office. there is no religious test, true; but there is no athiest/irreligious test either...