[Pooeypants]

Quote by: xyzer More uninformed fakery...Pooey posts... Interpret the data you claim proves your point Pooey I note in the jumbled mass of readings in your source,

If have an issue with the NOAA (who are accountable to the US gov't), with regards to their web page, please send them your opinion and ways to improve it.

Quote by: xyzer there have been fluctuations in temperature estimates(and these are estimates) of up to 3 degrees? If this is significant how can an increase of .06 of a degree in one century be significant?

None of the graphs shows global temperatures to have fluctuated by 3 degrees Celsius in the last millennia. Furthermore, we have seen an approximate 0.6 C increase this century, not 0.06 as you've incorrectly stated above. Hence, the increase is significant.

Quote by: xyzer Is an estimated temperature of an ice shelf of 31 and 30 going to significantly increase of decrease ice melt? You, Gore, and the IPCC claim an increase of less than 1 degree signals doom.

No, that's your fantasy, the warnings are over increased warming as projected over the next century which may be 3-5 degrees Celsius globally.

Quote by: xyzer You just showed that changes of several degrees occured well before humans began to light fires? How come?

You seem to have trouble understanding this so I will use the medical analogy again; Cancer has always been present in humans, from the beginning of our existence to now. There are natural carcinogens (such as certain Fungal toxins) that increase cancer risks but we also know that humans can and have produced carcinogens. Ergo, just because something has occurred naturally in the past does not automatically exonerate possible human influence. That just doesn't logically follow.

Quote by: xyzer How come the Norsemen called it "Green" land? They even settled there until it grew too cool? Could natural climate influences have had an effect?

Let's highlight the contradiction; as documented below in your rant about Greenland ice core temperatures, a warmer Greenland doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world is warmer. That's assuming Greenland was actually warmer in that particular period in the past.

Quote by: xyzer I hate to say it, but who is trying to slip whoppers into the mix now? I repeat your plaintiff wails are illogical and don't address anything but your fanatasies.

Let's highlight the hypocrisy here; when you think it is convenient, the temperature reconstructions are reliable and show much warming in Medieval period. When I'm using it, you'll start questioning it's accuracy, as evidenced below.

Quote by: xyzer All we have is estimates of temperatures and they are only estimates based on crude proxy information? Plus, Greenlands ice core temps don't reflect anything but Greenlands temps and even that is not exact to units as small as a degree? In case you and Pooey forget we are taling about global warming?

The temperature reconstructions are taken from various sources from around the world and using different methods. The paleoclimatogists are using the very latest techniques to ensure that the best precision is achieved, although by no means perfect (without a time machine, it can't be), these are the best reconstructions we've got. Unless, that is, you have a better method of piecing together the temperatures of the past. In which case, I am all ears...

Quote by: xyzer Take a deep breath and return to reality unless Gore has completely addled you?

No one here as cited any material by Al Gore as evidence, please leave the politician out of here as we're discussing science.

As we see, once again, it is you who is uninformed.