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Old May 16, 2008, 12:52 pm   #91 (permalink) (top)
doittoit
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Fair enough. Here are a couple of examples of what science has concluded about speciation. Then you can present support for your contention.

Observed Instances
of Speciation

Genetic evidence for complex speciation of humans and chimpanzees

Actually the article does a good job of summing up some of the concerns about speciation evidence. There is little work done on speciation. Scientists often accept speciation without even knowing the research. Most of the research that has been done hasn’t been verified and given the pressure to publish the likelihood of misrepresentation is high.

Laboratory studies in plants and fruit flies often don’t test or state if there is off spring, what are characteristics of the new species, or determine (delimit) the parents genealogy/species origins. They usually assign characteristics that aren’t actually speciation but simply a change in phenotype. Spiciest put to much weight in the research done using examples where the results are often suggestive, but not conclusive.

When studies are recounted they don’t get the same press as the original studies and are often over looked. A good example of this is 5.7. This is used by spiciest often as a main source of evidence even though it was overturned in another study done by Weinberg over a decade ago (1996 EVOLUTION 50(1):457-461 RODRIGUEZ TRELLES; WEINBERG JR; AYALA FJ) Hardly anyone even knows this and I see the Weinberg original 1992 used by scientists/spiciest all the time. Who knows how many other studies are discounted that are less popular and never been addressed.

If you were to take these concerns and cross apply them to the list of species studies, people would be amazed at how these studies begin to be invalidated (fact most materialists would deny it regardless of the facts). This is obviously an over view and while most of the studies below I have read it would take a considerable amount of time to discount them all one by one. However, these criticism are hardly new and supported by other scientists and intellectuals, it’s just this view is often drowned out by layman beliefs. The unfortunate fact is that laymen beliefs saturate our media (about many subjects) and scientists now often don’t question “facts” that aren’t factual. This is a phenomenon that has destroyed our scientific community.

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