[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt What is a home for? To live in, isn't it? If we humanely deal with animals who have entered our homes, then that is fine. We should not have to leave our home as you suggested so wasps can live in it. I think most people will agree that is ridiculous. But letting a deer or two eat a couple tulips, not that big of a deal.

Totally subjective

Quote by: Matt Also, wasps can't really build a nest in a house, they need an exit out. So unless it is a run-down house, they will die by making a nest where they can't get out of.

Wasps nests in attics and sheds are fairly common.

Quote by: Matt Never said unlikely, I said they will not need to, but that does not mean they wont. Don't twist my words. Not starving=not overpopulated.

I think you must have misread something.

Quote by: Matt Do you have any proof that putting natural predators alongside hunters would work?

There’s absolutely no reason that it wouldn’t. That’s like me asking you to prove that all the wolves and cougars you introduce won’t suddenly decide to jump into the sea.

Quote by: Matt How is them not going onto our land that much a better outcome? Is that just your opinion? It is certainly not mine.

The point was referring to my argument, in which deer keeping off our land is a better outcome.

Quote by: Matt Stop ignoring my points, it will get you no where. If deer go into the woods, they face danger. If deer go into a town, they face danger. To a 'city' deer being put into Yellowstone National Park would probably be very scary, and putting a 'country' deer into the middle of a city would be scary too. The city deer get so adapted to the city, and it is not more dangerous then the woods to them.

I've been to several places with a large (though not overpopulated) deer population in the countryside and yet next to no deer coming into the city. Why? Not because their numbers are so sparse as to make it unlikely (they're everywhere in the coutryside), but because the countryside can support their needs.

I see no evidence that deer would choose to come onto our land unless necessary.

Quote by: Matt Correct, though they would reduce them coming onto 'our' land to some extent (moderation is the key), but not to same as hunting would try to.

Which means that additional hunting would result in less road accidents caused by deer.

Quote by: Matt That is one case of many.

Prove that it’s a statistically significant number of cases.

Quote by: Matt And who says someone doesn't like shopping and meeting people in the store?

So four and a half hours to four and a half hours, coupled with the fact that most people don’t enjoy shopping. Hunting is either as or more time efficient than shopping.

Quote by: Matt Ok, I can easily answer your question. Of course natural predation will be sustainable if we don't keep interfering. What do you think kept the population of deer in check for thousands of years before man came? Cougars and wolves. I don't have evidence they wont be swept dead by a disease, but aslong wovles are there too, and the population of cougars is spread through-out North America, it shouldn't have that much impact. I doubt a disease could go all across the Americas and kill all the cougars. That is hypothetical talking even suggesting that, it hasn't happened in the past before I don't believe.

Just as it’s hypothetical thinking to suggest that hunting will die out.

Quote by: Matt Now you are doing something to me you said to me a little bit ago "Thats not how you debate." Why should I have to disprove your method wont work, when you haven't got a shred of evidence it will?

Because you’re proposing that something be made illegal, whereas I am not. If you want to throw someone in jail, you need evidence against them.

Quote by: Matt Again, answer this question please, as a yes or no. Do you have any evidence hunting could keep the popualtion of deer from not being overpopulated, and from not going on 'our' land much, as you have suggested?

As I’ve already said, hunting could obviously do this. Hunting is the killing of deer, killing of deer lowers the population, therefore hunting could potentially prevent overpopulation. Whether it will be able to do so is a different matter, which is why there are ways of increasing hunting or other methods of population control which can be introduced alongside it.