[Simonius]

Quote by: RealRockingham Being superior and having some superior and some inferior qualities are 2 different things.

I know that, not sure what that was in response to.

Quote by: RealRockingham Oh yes, but deemed greater by who? Who has the right to make that judgement, and on what principles should it be made?

Well that really is the crux of my job, all I will say is you, you and yours... I intend to show you and pretty everyone else that the west is simply better.

Quote by: RealRockingham 1)Liberalism? Well, for most of the West's history, it hasn't factored. Democracy? Ditto. Consumerism? Perhaps.

Well liberalism is the foundation of modern western civilisation, same for the other two as well. I intend to show you what these have given you, why you would never part with them, and show you that those who do not have them want them. This proving the superiority of the west.

Quote by: RealRockingham 2)No, those aspects of "Westernization" in states like Japan are merely aspects of modernization that are commonly but wrongly recognized as being Western in character. In regards to Japan... oh, just great, I spent a good part of yesterday proposing that Japan is Western, finally give up on the notion, and now find someone who thinks it IS 3)Now your just trying to grab all the good bits... Singapore is Western? WTF, its Sinic in nature, majority Chinese... And even then it falls on is face because of Japan.

I think if this debate is to ever get started I may have to drop those countries, or at least we could come to the mutual agreement that they may be a hyrbid between the two.

Of course we could always change the argument to being about the superiority of white civilisation, a bit more controversial but I can still use most of the same arguments.