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Quote by: Zhavric  Oh GTFO with that. OF COURSE it's impossible. Calling impossible things possible is intellectually dishonest and an abuse of the english language. Do not buy into this "anything is possible" garbage. When people make claims that are impossible at face value, like cosmic Jewish zombies teleporting from the middle east to the ass end of nowhere America, they have to support them. Nor can they rely on "faith". Either Jesus teleported to N.A. or he didn't. One or the other. Not both. He didn't teleport for you and not teleport for me. That, sir, is a scientific difference. If there were any evidence, it would be to science that we turn to prove it. In the lack of evidence, we have to look at what is proven, what's being claimed, and how much of what's proven the claim contradicts.
Yes. I can show you the amount of energy it would take to move one particle from point A to point B. I had a friend explain this to me in college. To teleport a 200 lb man from one side of a room to another would take energy on par with the daily output of our sun. You show me where that energy came from to teleport people, and then I'll start to take the claim seriously.
Okay, look. You need to stop allowing for this ridiculous special pleading for religion, man. Why are you debating so dishonestly? If I said to you, "I teleported to the moon and back today. Prove I didn't." You'd laugh at me and rightly so. The claim is impossible. Not unknown. Not possible. Impossible. Without evidence, you're correct to dismiss it... just as you'd be correct to dismiss the notion that 1+1=5. So, why do you adopt this different set of rules for religion? Why is cosmic Jewish zombie teleporting from the mid east to America somehow less laughable than me telelporting back and forth from the moon? |
I'm not saying that I believe that it happened, or believe that it could of happened, only that I can't prove that it didn't.
I don't adopt special standards for religion...you say it as if the standard scientific standards are proven, when they are anything but. You are, in short, making the assumption that the Mormon God, if he exists, would be constrained by '"energy"
" Either Jesus teleported to N.A. or he didn't. One or the other. Not both. He didn't teleport for you and not teleport for me. "
Yes, but I would have to be arrogant to say it was impossible that it happened. I'm not saying its scientifically possible, but as an agnostic I'm not to certain of science either. One or the other did happen, but I can't claim to know, as opposed to having an opinion on it.
"That, sir, is a scientific difference. If there were any evidence, it would be to science that we turn to prove it."
You believe in the accuracy of science. I do also, to some extent, though I doubt the capacity of humans to comprehend it. But that is just that, a belief. How can you KNOW that a God isn't making science up to test our faith?
And don't say it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to YOU, but that is an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
You may have teleported to moon, and science may be utter bullshit. I can't prove its not so. I can have an opinion that its even less likely then the Scientoligist story, but cant prove it. I could give scientific logic to disprove it, but if you don't believe scientific logic to be definitive, or the faith doesn't for that matter, then the belief isn't disproved. Simple as that.
Every set of beleifs and opinions, including yours, is built upon a series of assumptions that may be wrong.