[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt The Bacon Guy, if people want to try to force me to not kill a wasp nest, you know what I would do? I would be a smart house owner and make sure no wasps are building a nest in my house.

Impossible to guarantee.

Quote by: Matt Hunting kills millions of lives every year, just think about it. Unless hunters can prove that they have the more valid opinion, they they shouldn’t argue if hunting gets banned. Hunting is un-needed.

Not how the legal system works. You don’t throw someone in jail simply because they can’t prove that they weren’t doing anything wrong.

Quote by: Matt How isn’t it? You made a claim that hunters could keep the deer from being overpopulated and from rarely coming onto ‘our’ land. If you state something, shouldn’t you prepared to have evidence or sources which agree with what you said?

Hunters could do that. I never said they necessarily would without a little help or incentive, but they definitely could.

Quote by: Matt The way society is going, in 50 years probably very few people would do it to get paid in the developed world.

Pure speculation.

Quote by: Matt And the deer wont come onto our property if we fence it off, and they wont need to come on it if we re-introduce natural predators.

Your objection to hunters was that they would hunt deer to the point where they wouldn't need to come onto out land. If natural predators will hunt deer to the point that they won't need to come onto our property, they obviously will be killing as many or more deer than the hunters would.

Quote by: Matt They will remove the need for deer to go onto ‘our’ property, but that doesn’t mean the deer wont. Since deer naturally roam everywhere foraging.

Why would a deer wander into potential danger to find food if its own habitat is able to support it?

Quote by: Matt Only if they could.... Anyhow, they wont declare war on us, but by us not sharing will just cause more problems. See what has happened when we wont share with animals? Species go extinct, and animals are killed for no reason. Not a good outcome, is it?

Depends on your point of view.

Quote by: Matt The hunters will get cranky, and they will complain the natural predators are taking ‘their catch’. It happens here...people kill natural predators because for some stupid reason they think they will eat all the deer.

Make the predators a protected species then.

Quote by: Matt How so?

Because the line is purely based on emotion.

Quote by: Matt Did I say it was wasted time? I said it was way less time efficient then buying lentils.

The point is that incorporating food-acquisition into one’s leisure time absolutely is time efficient. Instead of spending one hour shopping and ten hours of leisure time, a hunter can spend ten hours of leisure time and still get his food.

Quote by: Matt People that don’t know that you can get protein from other sources, yes.

Or people that like meat, find hunting to be more cost and time efficient than buying lentils, etc.

Quote by: Matt How is it a problem?

How is it a problem to have deer wandering round human areas? Other than the issues mentioned, how about all the fatal road accidents than are caused by deer?

Quote by: Matt It is natural, and we should except it, or put up a fence. For example, yesterday I woke up and noticed some deer ate some of my most valued plants. What did I do, go shoot them? No. I accepted that they didn’t know better and it wasn’t their fault. The next night I put on protective containers, just in case they came again.

That’s lovely, but like I said, people shouldn’t be obligated to conform to your arbitrary standards of selflessness any more than you should be forced to conform to theirs.

Quote by: Matt You are getting unreasonable now.

That’s not an argument.

Quote by: Matt How is that ridiculous? Do you believe a few jobs are worth millions of deer's lives?

Do you think a room of your house is worth the lives of a few hundred wasps?