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Quote by: Milton Bradley Oh, so it's just bleeding heart Liberalism. Message recieved.

Wow, now there's a hell of an rebuttal to Aussie's point.

Quote by: Milton Bradley Wrong.

It's interesting how I'm the one who attached a source to my statement while Milton couldn't be bothered, yet I'm wrong.

A fascinating universe you have here.

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary There are 875 million firearms in the world,...

And about 200 million of them, a bit less than 25%, are here, in the United States. That means that a 20th of the world's population possesses a quarter of it's non-military firearms.

And you question why we're the most murderous civilized nation on earth? (guns - being invented and designed to kill from a distance - vastly increase the percentage of deaths involved in violent crimes)

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary ...and factories even in strictly gun controlled country's churn out more every day. A truly motivated person almost anywhere besides an institution can access a weapon.

And yet, in countries with stricter gun control, there's far fewer deaths. Yada, yada, yada...

that 800 lb gorilla is still sitting there, smack in the middle of the room.

Quote by: Osborn Where are the facts that show removing guns reduces crime?

What the facts show, Osborn, is that we are simultaneously the most heavily armed nation on earth and among the most murderous and violent. Period.

And by the way, statistics show a wash... increased defenses with guns balance with increased crimes involving guns, and, more importantly, more deaths because of guns.

The rest of those facts simply reflect the overall crime level, which usually corresponds with the overall economy. Times are good, crimes go down, times get tough, crimes go up.

Quote by: Osborn In fact, reducing guns INCREASES crime, and INCREASES the number of innocent victims OF CRIME, it just disarms them and puts them at the mercy of their CRIMINAL ATTACKERS.

Is that right?

7. The Criminal's Companion, Florida's Concealed Weapons Law—A Model for the Nation? -- Between the months of October 1987 and July 1995, a total of 469 individuals were identified as having committed crimes—including assault with intent to murder, kidnaping/attempted kidnaping, and shooting with intent to wound—either before obtaining the Florida concealed carry license or after having been licensed.

8. Real-World Effects of Lax Concealed Weapons Laws --
In the period surveyed, an additional 149 individuals had their licenses revoked for crimes committed either before or after their concealed weapons license was issued. The crimes included aggravated assault with a firearm, robbery, domestic battery, and criminal sexual conduct. [/b]

9. Arrests Involving Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders -- Two years after Texas' "shall-issue" concealed handgun license law went into effect, more than 940 arrest records existed involving concealed handgun license holders. This study examines the arrest records for this group for the period between January 1996 and October 1997.

* From January 1996 to October 1997 Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including 263 felony arrests.
* Among the felony arrests, there were: six charges of murder or attempted murder involving four deaths; two charges of kidnaping; 18 charges of sexual assault; 66 assault charges, including 49 for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon; and 42 weapons-related charges.
* In the first six months of 1997 the weapon-related arrest rate among concealed handgun license holders was more than twice as high as that of the general population of Texas aged 21 years and older.

10. An Update on Arrests of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders -- * In the period surveyed, more than one thousand additional Texas license holders had been arrested, bringing the total for both reports to 2,080.
* The arrests included 15 charges of murder or attempted murder, 28 arrests for rape/sexual assault, 30 arrests for indecency with children, and 103 arrests for assault with a deadly weapon.

Quote by: Gods _Mercenary By the way, you still haven't responded to the fact that there's not a ban of a desirable material good in american history that has not created crime, never mind been marginally successful.

In the last 40 years there's been an almost 50% drop in the number of Americans who smoke, yet cigarettes have never been banned.

It's about changing Americans attitudes towards guns, which is already happening. Fewer and fewer American households own firearms. We should accelerate that trend, first and foremost by making clear that we do NOT have a constitutional right to own firearms.

If that changes in June, then Americans should work to overturn the Roberts Court Ruling, and return to the current standing Supreme Court case law precedent.

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