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Old May 8, 2008, 08:30 pm   #33 (permalink) (top)
tivodan1116
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Of course we can. Stop trying to give the god hypothesis a free pass. Neither it nor any other hypothesis gets one.

When someone says "God exists" what they're actually saying is "All this stuff that's proven by science is wrong. Conservation of energy? Wrong. Everything we know about intelligence? Wrong. Everything we know about physics? Wrong. Since I have no evidence for any of these wild claims, I should be excused from the responsibility of showing evidence."

GTFO with that. I'm sick of it and you should be, too.
And once again, your argument that you "know" God doesn't exist depends on your nonsensical view that God "has" to violate all of those rules - again, EVERY time you argue that God does not exist, you start by incorrectly "defining" God on your own, easily disprovable terms.

Laughable. Any more "win" in there?

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The intervention of God would be detectable if events and phenomena deviated from chance. A deviation from chance is what would be expected if a self-aware, supernatural being was intervening in human affairs, particularly in response to prayer.

Do we have evidence of events deviating from chance such that the intervention of supernatural intelligence might be the explanation? For the evidence to be significant, of course, it would have to be unambiguous.

For example, a new leg growing on an amputee as consequence of prayer would be startling. The gravitational constant changing in order to prevent a plane crash would call for some explanation.

For a God who created a Universe such interventions would be trivial.
And so would disguising such interventions so that his influence or interference would be undetectable. Sorry, try again.


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