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Impenitent · Nov 11, 2003, 01:53 am

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,)
makes you see Nietzsche in a new light doesn't it? not pro herd, not pro society, not pro communalism...

Not at all, I never thought of him being any of those. And that comes back to the reason I question you on your use of Nietzsche when you seem to be what Nietzsche would call part of the herd.

I am referring to the Iraq debacle. There is more than one herd of course but the herd pushed by fear is no different that the herd crying for peace. This is a crusade that uses fear and religion and hatred as tools of support. You would not support this if you were not in fear. Now they are using terrorism in Iraq to put fear into the people so they will comply. It worked for the american populace but will not work for the iraqis. They will fight for their freedom and will eventually win. Like viet nam, the pentagon has underestimated the "weak"

You have used the term "we" and "us" instead of "me" or "I" in your opinions. My argument is that you are adopting your reasoning in order to fit into a group that you perceive is strong because they tell you they are strong. You are not using any of your own individuality. These are not insults just observations. I as an individual do not see the world as black and white.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

1- You would not support this if you were not in fear.
no, I am not in fear... this is an exersize in culling the herd... humans do this in every generation in one part of the world or another...

2- They will fight for their freedom and will eventually win. Like viet nam, the pentagon has underestimated the "weak"
not at all... the terrorists are not fighting for freedom, they are fighting for a new taliban style regime... no matter how many times the democrats yell quagmire and vietnam, iraq is not even close... you forget for what we and they are fighting...

3- I use the term we and us because I am american and I am reporting what we as americans are doing in our foreign policy. the american group is strong because we have the military might... look at what the military is doing, that is strength... bending over for the terrorists or anyone in the name of peace is not strength and it is exactly what would make Nietzsche vomit with disgust...

not using any of my own individuality? how can I do anything but be an individual? just because I find the military option more than plausible, but the effecient and preferred way to control the herd? that is practicality... I see altruism and liberal socialist herd society as nothing more than christian pity in another skin... how can you accuse me of being part of the herd? the herd is nothing but the means to an end... the herd will extinguish itself...

seeing shades of gray is fine as well, but when you argue logically, it is black or white, right or wrong, valid or invalid, sound or unsound...

Nov 11, 2003, 01:53 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,) makes you see Nietzsche in a new light doesn't it? not pro herd, not pro society, not pro communalism... Not at all, I never thought of him being any of those. And that comes back to the reason I question you on your use of Nietzsche when you seem to be what Nietzsche would call part of the herd. I am referring to the Iraq debacle. There is more than one herd of course but the herd pushed by fear is no different that the herd crying for peace. This is a crusade that uses fear and religion and hatred as tools of support. You would not support this if you were not in fear. Now they are using terrorism in Iraq to put fear into the people so they will comply. It worked for the american populace but will not work for the iraqis. They will fight for their freedom and will eventually win. Like viet nam, the pentagon has underestimated the "weak" You have used the term "we" and "us" instead of "me" or "I" in your opinions. My argument is that you are adopting your reasoning in order to fit into a group that you perceive is strong because they tell you they are strong. You are not using any of your own individuality. These are not insults just observations. I as an individual do not see the world as black and white.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> 1- You would not support this if you were not in fear. no, I am not in fear... this is an exersize in culling the herd... humans do this in every generation in one part of the world or another... 2- They will fight for their freedom and will eventually win. Like viet nam, the pentagon has underestimated the "weak" not at all... the terrorists are not fighting for freedom, they are fighting for a new taliban style regime... no matter how many times the democrats yell quagmire and vietnam, iraq is not even close... you forget for what we and they are fighting... 3- I use the term we and us because I am american and I am reporting what we as americans are doing in our foreign policy. the american group is strong because we have the military might... look at what the military is doing, that is strength... bending over for the terrorists or anyone in the name of peace is not strength and it is exactly what would make Nietzsche vomit with disgust... not using any of my own individuality? how can I do anything but be an individual? just because I find the military option more than plausible, but the effecient and preferred way to control the herd? that is practicality... I see altruism and liberal socialist herd society as nothing more than christian pity in another skin... how can you accuse me of being part of the herd? the herd is nothing but the means to an end... the herd will extinguish itself... seeing shades of gray is fine as well, but when you argue logically, it is black or white, right or wrong, valid or invalid, sound or unsound... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...