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Quote by: xyzer  Look this guy didn't have a rational excuse for even being over in Pakistan..He ostensibly wanted to learn more about Isam because he was thinking about marrying a Muslim? Sound rational? Spend many dollars going to a war zone to learn about a religion which you can learn about from a local Mullah? (Doesn't pass the truth test IMO)
He is picked up by native military on the scene during a war wandering around posing as an Islamic citizen.. It was never clear why he was turned over to the US Military except that his presence was questioned by the military in a war zone? Can't a rational person learn about Islam without growing a beard and dressing like an enemy in a war zone?.
Then we have a crazy myirad of tales about how he suffered from his treatment or lack thereof and eventually was sent to Gitmo because he statememnts didn't jibe with events. The USA said there was no evidence of his mistreatment a Gtmo? I believe them. No indication he was tortured within an inch of his life by him was there? He claimed of discomfort and bad conditions in a prison(Gtmo) that was viewed and inspected and proved to be quite comfortable by most standards?
His lawyer, as lawyers are want to do because they don't testifty under oath, then also made all sorts of unproven statements about his clients so called ill treatment? Where did his lawyer get the info? From the detainee, obviously.
At the time all this went down was there a war going on? Had the USA been attacked and was responding to the Taliban which helped carry out the attack? Yes! Did the battlefield and envorons contain some enemy? Yes. Were those enemy going to admit they were trying to kill Americans and other allied personnel? No
Talk about pirated tapes? This one showed only one side of a very complicated story? Are we to believe there weren't other sides to the issue? Isbskins asks if I found all this to be factual how would I feel? I don't think it is, and if it was I would feel like this guy was a jerk! I'd ask would you go over to a war zone to learn about a rleigion that you might want to adopt? Is there a German or Turkiash Consulate where he was? Did he have a visa? Did he get in touch with the consulate? |
I did not ask you to tell me why you doubt his story. I asked you to tell me what you would feel about the situation if his story was absolutely factual. And essentially, your response is that innocence is not a factor in your mind. That defines you as a jingoistic automatron who believes that any action a government takes is justified if they simply claim it is necessary. I now feel free to throw that usually hyberbolic, but in this instance seeminly accurate, accusation at you: You would make the perfect Nazi.
Oh, and by the way...he wasn't in the war zone. He was in Pakistan. He was picked up and taken, by the US, to the war zone. You are warping the facts to suit your already silly position. And just what is an "Islamic citizen", by the way. He is a Muslim true, but a muslim with German citizenship, who was seen as suspicious, not because he was pretending to be Pakistani, but because he was German and in Pakistan so soon after 9/11...but this just goes to show, you don't actually hear what is said, you warp things to fit a scenario that makes unjustified actions seem somehow justified in your mind.