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xyzer · May 3, 2008, 11:51 am

Look this guy didn't have a rational excuse for even being over in Pakistan..He ostensibly wanted to learn more about Isam because he was thinking about marrying a Muslim? Sound rational? Spend many dollars going to a war zone to learn about a religion which you can learn about from a local Mullah? (Doesn't pass the truth test IMO)
He is picked up by native military on the scene during a war wandering around posing as an Islamic citizen.. It was never clear why he was turned over to the US Military except that his presence was questioned by the military in a war zone? Can't a rational person learn about Islam without growing a beard and dressing like an enemy in a war zone?.

Then we have a crazy myirad of tales about how he suffered from his treatment or lack thereof and eventually was sent to Gitmo because he statememnts didn't jibe with events. The USA said there was no evidence of his mistreatment a Gtmo? I believe them. No indication he was tortured within an inch of his life by him was there? He claimed of discomfort and bad conditions in a prison(Gtmo) that was viewed and inspected and proved to be quite comfortable by most standards?
His lawyer, as lawyers are want to do because they don't testifty under oath, then also made all sorts of unproven statements about his clients so called ill treatment? Where did his lawyer get the info? From the detainee, obviously.

At the time all this went down was there a war going on? Had the USA been attacked and was responding to the Taliban which helped carry out the attack? Yes! Did the battlefield and envorons contain some enemy? Yes. Were those enemy going to admit they were trying to kill Americans and other allied personnel? No

Talk about pirated tapes? This one showed only one side of a very complicated story? Are we to believe there weren't other sides to the issue? Isbskins asks if I found all this to be factual how would I feel? I don't think it is, and if it was I would feel like this guy was a jerk! I'd ask would you go over to a war zone to learn about a rleigion that you might want to adopt? Is there a German or Turkiash Consulate where he was? Did he have a visa? Did he get in touch with the consulate?

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xyzer Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 2,188	Look this guy didn't have a rational excuse for even being over in Pakistan..He ostensibly wanted to learn more about Isam because he was thinking about marrying a Muslim? Sound rational? Spend many dollars going to a war zone to learn about a religion which you can learn about from a local Mullah? (Doesn't pass the truth test IMO) He is picked up by native military on the scene during a war wandering around posing as an Islamic citizen.. It was never clear why he was turned over to the US Military except that his presence was questioned by the military in a war zone? Can't a rational person learn about Islam without growing a beard and dressing like an enemy in a war zone?. Then we have a crazy myirad of tales about how he suffered from his treatment or lack thereof and eventually was sent to Gitmo because he statememnts didn't jibe with events. The USA said there was no evidence of his mistreatment a Gtmo? I believe them. No indication he was tortured within an inch of his life by him was there? He claimed of discomfort and bad conditions in a prison(Gtmo) that was viewed and inspected and proved to be quite comfortable by most standards? His lawyer, as lawyers are want to do because they don't testifty under oath, then also made all sorts of unproven statements about his clients so called ill treatment? Where did his lawyer get the info? From the detainee, obviously. At the time all this went down was there a war going on? Had the USA been attacked and was responding to the Taliban which helped carry out the attack? Yes! Did the battlefield and envorons contain some enemy? Yes. Were those enemy going to admit they were trying to kill Americans and other allied personnel? No Talk about pirated tapes? This one showed only one side of a very complicated story? Are we to believe there weren't other sides to the issue? Isbskins asks if I found all this to be factual how would I feel? I don't think it is, and if it was I would feel like this guy was a jerk! I'd ask would you go over to a war zone to learn about a rleigion that you might want to adopt? Is there a German or Turkiash Consulate where he was? Did he have a visa? Did he get in touch with the consulate? Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us.