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Old May 2, 2008, 12:33 pm   #107 (permalink) (top)
davedes
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How do you mean, exactly? Anyway, the circumstances of dreaming are more controllable than near-death experiences. There is no telling when and where there will be a near-death experience or if it is appropriate to study it when doctors are trying to save a person (wouldn't scientists and their devices get in the way?), but everyone dreams peacefully and quietly in their sleep.

The best a scientist could do is, if by some chance they hit the jack pot and it was legal for them to be in the emergency room, is see what kind of chemicals are going off in the brain while a person is undergoing a near death experience (and they would only be able to confirm this experience if the person was brought back to life and remembered what happened during their episode).
Have you heard of technology? Technology that records things? Like an EEG? Scientists do not need to stand next to an EEG to realize that it's recording zero brain activity.

You say that since one cannot stand in the presence of an NDE, it cannot be studied? That's ridiculous.

Although you seem to be missing the point completely. An out-of-body experience does not need to be triggered by a near-death experience. They have been induced by certain drugs, such as ketamine, and are commonly induced by a form of meditation. Experienced OBErs can "project" on a near daily basis.

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Correction: Can't do, no more than it can study or make predictions with Intelligent Design. The logic behind NDE is non-scientific in nature, in that there is no way it can be affirmed or denied positively. All scientists can do is conjecture, which they do: the most likely explanation is near-death experiences are fantasies induced by sporadic chemical processes (aka, people imagine afterlife's while they die).
What part of "veridical perception" do you not understand?

Veridical perception is a testable, reproducible and verifiable means of determining whether OBEs and NDEs are "objective" (as opposed to purely subjective).

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