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Of course you are right, I completely agree with 90% of the points you have just made, as I've said many times I'm homosexual and all for gay marriage, but for the sake of debate I'm taking the other side.

Quote by: italiangm I *can* deny your so-called claim of 'harm' until you provide proof there's *ever* been a reduction in fecundity due to homosexual expression throughout history.

Not a reduction in fecundicity, merely in the use of it. You have not refuted that fecundicity is a major evolutionary heuristic and that not using that fecundicity is going against natural selection and damaging the human race's ability to survive healthily.

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There's evidence that homosexual expression does exactly the opposite of 'harm' which, by observation, is demonstrated through individual selection for reciprocal altruism.[/qutoe]
what altruistic benefits do homosexuals provide to heterosexual couples that could not be provided by another heterosexual exactly?

Quote by: italiangm Same-sex alliances have repeatedly shown to have reproductive advantages.

How exactly?

Quote by: italiangm and homosexual behavior can serve to maintain these alliances. Same-sex alliances help opposite-sex individuals survive and subsequently reproduce

I do not deny that homosexuals contribute to society and help society's improvement, the man that cracked the enigma code was gay, he certainly helped a lot of heterosexuals to survive.

Quote by: italiangm Even nonhuman primates use homosexual behavior in same-sex alliances, and such alliances appear to have been key in the expanded distribution of human ancestors during the Pleistocene era. Homosexual emotion and behavior are, in part, emergent qualities of the human propensity for same-sex association.

There are indeed homosexual animals, I fail to see quite how homosexuality helped the distribution of the human race, yet the pleistocene era isn't quite my area of expertees.

Quote by: italiangm No one questions the fact that heterosexual behavior serves non-conceptive functions such as the maintenance of long-term bonds. .

Indeed nobody does.

Quote by: italiangm If homosexual behavior also serves non-conceptive functions, such as the maintenance of same-sex alliances (long-term supportive relationships) that aid in resource competition and cooperative defense, homosexual behavior would be considered a positive selection. Homosexual behavior is therefore a survival strategy, supporting the propagation of a species' reproductive strategy

No same sex co-operation is a survival strategy, humans interacting with each other and working together to a goal is a survival strategy, homosexuality does little to contribute to this, given the discrimination aimed the way of homosexuals I would say that homosexuality has inhibited same sex co-operation due to the reactions of their peers.

Quote by: italiangm Your proof for this assertion? And how, specifically, does this relate to the topic?

My proof stretches as far as my own experiences and the experiences of my gay counterparts, it would be seen as immoral to choose to be homosexual in the eyes of most people.

Quote by: italiangm Then why speak of it? And who says there's a "lack of information".

Me, as any research I have done into homosexual genetics has drawn a blank.

Quote by: italiangm There's a significant body of evidence that suggest certain behaviors attributed to heterosexual females is also part of the biological make-up of homosexual males. Take the fairly recent discovery about scent detection and behavior similarities between heterosexual females and homosexual males, for instance.

Citation?

Quote by: italiangm Considering how little data has been collected on same-sex marriages compared to opposite-sex marriage, I'd say your math is defective. Further, the short length of time that same-sex marriages have been effect have no predictive ability to address the 'strength' of them. They have not had the same amount of time to develop into the more defined and predictable behavior as their hetero counterparts have.

My math is not defective, there is merely a lack of information provided.

Quote by: italiangm That's a function of a xenophobic society, not a function of a family structured with same-sex parents. A similar xenophobic behavior still exists when opposite sex couples of different races are observed. Please keep your argument intellectually honest by correctly identifying the cause for such behavior.

We live in a largely xenophobic society and measures must be taken to counter it, for now it is in the best interests of young orphans up for adoption to keep them out of harms way, no?