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Quote by: WakeFTU I'm not religious, but consciousness doesn't die. | Yes. Yes it does. ... Should I bother asking you to prove what you stated? |
I ask you the same, Zhavric. Where is the concrete, verifiable, testable and empirical evidence that shows consciousness does indeed die with the mind?
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Quote by: Zhavric Still waiting for evidence that proves the alleged visions of an NDE took place during the time when a person was dead and not when they were unconscious, but alive. Got any? |
Not all NDEs occur during the time of clinical death. To confirm that an NDE occurs during clinical death, we need veridical information that fits the timeframe of the flat EEG. A number of anecdotal reports have surfaced to support this.
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... [during] the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate.
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... Sabom22 mentions a young American woman who had complications during brain surgery for a cerebral aneurysm. The EEG of her cortex and brainstem had become totally flat. After the operation, which was eventually successful, this patient proved to have had a very deep NDE, including an out-of-body experience, with subsequently verified observations during the period of the flat EEG.
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The Lancet: Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest
This evidence is, of course, circumstantial at best. Anecdotal evidence rarely provides a compelling case, as interesting as it is to read.
Since veridical NDEs during clinical death tend to be difficult to study, perhaps the first obstacle we should tackle is whether veridical information can be gained from OBEs. Only then should we move on to the more serious question of whether veridical NDEs can occur during/after clinical death.
A lot of promising study is currently being done on the subject, often in a much more scientific and controlled manner than mere anecdotal reports (eg.
[1][2][3][4]).
Titus Rivas wrote a couple of articles on the subject of NDE and the afterlife, for those interested:
The Survivalist Interpretation of Recent Studies into the Near-Death Experience Consciousness during Clinical Death and after Irreversible Brain Death
PS: A conscious NDE while
unconscious... Isn't that a paradox?
