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Quote by: HelioPrime  I've noticed a trend. Please correct me if I'm wrong but lets start with a little back story:
For over a thousand years people lived in parts of the world as christians. While they didn't always agree many of the concepts have remained the same. One of those is unbelievers go to hell.
Fast forward to present day and suddenly people have a problem with this. The problem is that if God was real and loving then he wouldn't send people do hell, so hence God must not exist.
Atheist (secular non theists) seem to have a common ideal, they either want to be dead and thats it, or go to hell. Their logic appears like this:
1) God doesn't exist, everyone just dies
2) There is a low possibility God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we should all be atheists.
3) God sends unbelievers the hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just get away from that God.
So: To (secular non theists) First would you prefer that term? And second agree or disagree with my summary of your opinions? |
Perhaps a remedial course in 'early church history' would be helpful. If I'm not mistaken 'christianity's' current conception of 'hell' has only been with us for something like 500-600 years. Have you ever watched the history channel's programs discussing the historical facts concerning how our ideas regarding heaven, hell, satan, demons, angels has evolved over the past 2,000 plus years?
"they either want to be dead and that's it . . .
Wanting to be dead ain't got nothing to do with it, at this point in my life I can honestly say that I've never 'wanted' to be dead. Never the less I think it's a fact I'm going to die - none of us are getting out of this alive!
. . . or go to hell."
Since I don't believe in a place called 'hell' I couldn't possible want to go there.
1) god doesn't exist, everybody just dies. Whether a being called 'god' exists or does not exist has absolutely nothing to do with death - it is simply a biological fact that human beings die.
2) There is a low possibility that God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we all should be atheists.
Huh??? Where's the logic in that?
3) God sends unbelievers to hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just to get away from God.
Since 'atheists' do not believe in the existence of a being called 'god' how could they believe that he is uncaring and unjust or that he is going to send unbelievers to hell - a place that they don't believe exists?
How could an atheist WANT to go to hell (a place they don't believe exists) to get away from a 'god' they don't believe exists?
Was this thread meant to be a joke?