[Winter wind]

Quote by: mb This is nothing like the Founding Fathers intended.

I was being sarcastic. (though they did build the system, so "bitter" would be a better word)

But let's play with this.

The people paraded around in front of the cameras for us to choose from are selected from a group of people who already sold out all of the principles to represent the monied interests, and not We the People.

I don't doubt it, I just think the second a third party got power, they would change to follow this, mostly because this is inevitable. You are trying to convince over half of the American populous you are the right candidate. That takes a lot of money and you need to make a lot of friends. Somewhere along the line, what you think gets side lined. I don't think it would be any different for a third party candidate.

Quote by: century Are you living in Hong Kong..? Our media is basically a propaganda mill.. bought & paid for by the most $$$.

haha, that's not your problem (only FOX's). Your problem is that the media is a commercial field. So to get you to watch, they use all sorts of tricks to entertain rather then inform and inquire. People can't buy the media because the media is run first and foremost what they think will interest people. I don't care if their budget is being run by a cooperation, if there some juicy piece of news on them, they'll run it. Be it a scandal or a public service.

We do not see, for example, the dirty.. bloody war that is killing thousands of our young people in Iraq, not to mention the gory and maimed that return home minus arms & legs.. and maybe vision.

Because the FEC won't allow excessive violence. Though the news pushes the limit. However if you mean interest in Iraq has wained, that's because the public doesn't care anymore.

Then too, they hide the 10's of thousands that are in extreme post traumatic shock, they have lost marriages & jobs due to that. You should see our Phoenix Republic (newspaper) - you wouldn't guess there is a war going for all these years. No, the "big" headlines are usually sports related.. or some old feature stories about eye catching yada yada.. they even have 1 or 2 ad's running on front page.

Because, to them, they don't think it will sell enough. It's boring.

As for our "founders" - HA..!! Our 'founders' were a bunch of grifters that established the "Virginia Company" when they landed (in of course, "Virginia") - and proceeded to pillage & rape the country.

I'm going to quote this to the Libertarians (that comment was really meant for them).

Oh, yes, there have been people that tried to right as many wrongs as possible.. but.. they are dead. Murdered. Progress was made, yes. But it has been reversed and is careening out of control. No Barrack or Hillary or anyone can stop the monster. The MIMC.

And then proceed into sappy folk song

well since you've already given up, why bother posting.

I personally think you are being melodramatic. I live in China for Christ's sake. You don't know how lucky you guys are. At least you have a media that will critique the government. At least you can say those things online. At least guanxi is frowned upon in America (relation based culture.)

Sound a bit like a teen who has been grounded.