Thanks a lot for being so descriptive and truthfully narrative, particularly in second post. I agree the way our discussion about power of mind has taken us off smoking topic, MOD has right to warn us to come back to smoking, which you have very nicely turned back. But then, where It would get such deep thought subject matter???
Yes, I could understand what you talked about smoking, smoke, breath attention and feeling of lightedness etc. In Hindu religion as well, Lord Shiva is known to use Shaman for going into deep meditation (smadhi). Smoking might be a tool to achieve that inward realization and relaxation but then, it affects physical body as well that too adversly. Every good thing has corresponding bad thing associated with it. So I prefer to attain state lightedness and relaxation without smoking !!!
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Well, one would not smoke while doing a meditation. So I should not confuse the two. The weightlessness felt in meditation is different then feeling light headed due to a cigarette ( and pot would work better then a cigarette if that was the purpose of smoking ). I was just pointing out that they are simular. In meditation we bring our attention to our forehead, using what some call the inner (or the 3rd eye). Then direct awareness to the finger tips. That connects mind and body. Well, I would need to give more time to all that in order to make sense.
My point is why to use smoking as a tool to create that space between action and reaction. Why not to use sucking a pencil, counting one to ten inwardly so that side effect of smoking won't be there.
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The difference is that tobacco contains medicene that relaxes the body and a pencil does not. What you suggest is like telling a person to drink water instead of taking their prescription drugs because drugs have a side effect.
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Example: Once a person, a smoker went to see a doctor friend who was practicing in deep village for the benefit of poor and illiterate people. After few hours he asked for a leave from the doctor. But the doctor insisted to remain with for night and asked him to go tomorrow. He said he would have liked to stay back but he has run of cigarettes and in this deep village it is not available. The problem with him is that he won’t be able to pass stuff without smoking a cigarette. Doctor said that he needed not to worry, he being doctor would take care of him. In the morning at time of going to toilet, the doctor handed over his friend a pencil and asked him to have few deep sucking at the pencil thinking that to be a cigarette. On doing that he could go and free himself without using any actual cigarette. So my point is, it is question of how you develop your mind.
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Nice storytelling but the problem is only that the person should have gone prepared instead of going to that village unprepared. I personally avoid doctors because I do not wish to get hooked on a bunch of prescription drugs.
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I very well understand what you are attempting to tell. But, I would still opt an easier tool of mind power and self control to enter the stage you are entering using smoking as a tool.
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My mind is smarter then I am so I do not try to control it. The mind is based on billions of years of genetic experience, I have only been here as this particular indentity for less then one hundred years.
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This is a wonderful statement of yours, nay it might have dropped down from or gone up from what you call deep Blue !!!!
I appreciate from the core my heart your picking up this word "Trying". Definitely, when it comes to trying, Ego and Self Prestige bind us. Both are enemies on path of realizing absolute reality, the state of universal Consciousness.
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Thanks for finding room for agreements.
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See, your picking up smoking as a tool to go to that state is also nothing but trying only.
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Actually I did not start to smoke for any given purpose, just discovered that the effects agree with me and my personality. The thing with cigarettes is that "trying only" is not required as that is the purpose of the addiction quality that takes trying out of the picture and makes it more automatic and effortless. It does not conflict with the brain because the brain loves it.
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All right, I would chew back my "Trying" word and vomit out a different group of words "Enjoying the feeling of your own real self through mind power". Still, I feel if one is strong/firm enough at mind and has balance in own self, he need not have to take un-warranted side effect producing SMOKING as a tool.
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And you should continue to do what works best for you, I am not about trying to convert anyone to my way of life. To each his/her own. Now if you want we can do a debate about the topic of self-control in a new thread for that topic, it would be more interesting to share our insights in a posting that does not involved smoking cigarettes.
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