[Winter wind]

Quote by: zhavric The Romans are well known for treating the people they conquer with respect (relatively speaking) and integrating parts of conquered culture into Roman culture.

But they weren't too hot about Christians, also bringing up the question, if the Romans knew Jesus didn't exist, why didn't they say so? Wouldn't have been too difficult to defame him.

I'm trying to think of a more disingenuous thing for you to have said. I'm drawing a blank. They didn't "get their date wrong". They invented the story or accepted earlier inventions.

You said it yourself, Constantine picked and choose what was to be and what wasn't. The Date could have been one. I already know Jesus wasn't born in the winter, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

After ignoring the lion's share of my post, it would have been far better for you to simply stay quiet rather than attempting to snipe at my argument by changing the context around.

Not really. If you have something I missed that's importent, restate it. However, it doesn't look like you have decisive evidence.

The only way you could possibly look at that, admit that it's true, and still believe a self-fathering cosmic Jewish zombie walked the earth as a rock star in a literate country without being mentioned by anyone is if you're using your own set of bogus logical rules.

Haa, your "win" is fading.

My logic is simple. Your logic isn't that Jesus didn't exist because...(enter fact).

Your logic is that Jesus didn't exist because there wasn't any proof.

This is called an argument from silence.

I'm looking at how Jesus effected the world. I find it more likely that he existed and gathered a following, rather then a following magically railed around a bunch of rabbis who hated Jesus.

The Romans never tried to disprove him despite the fact they hated him.

According to R. T. France: "even the great histories of Tacitus have survived in only two manuscripts, which together contain scarcely half of what he is believed to have written, the rest is lost"

The life of Jesus, during and immediately his life, was not a major event for the Romans so it's not to hard to believe the records were lost.

This is my evidence. Where is your clean cut proof, unsoiled with anything unimportant? You lack the proof to say he doesn't exist.

Though I could have missed something, if so, make the argument as simple as possible to tear down my own. This is how debate works (I shouldn't have to say this).