[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt It is not ignorance, since they don't have the chance to know what they are doing.

That’s still ignorance.

Quote by: Matt No, not by definition. Their habitat is all of North America, therefore, if they come onto 'our' land, that does not mean their habitat can't hold them and they are coming onto ours. Since 'our's' is actually there's.

It is no longer theirs. We claimed it and it is therefore ours, just as would be the case with any other animal. It may have originally belonged to deer, many years ago, but then America originally belonged to the Native Americans many years ago. Times have changed, humans are here now and they have the same right to territory as any other animal.

Quote by: Matt Seriously, if you put money above a intelligent life form, that is sad. People have many options to keep deer of their property, I just suggested a few. If people are not willing to do any effort or spend any money on keeping deer away, then I would say tough *&%$.

You expect people to spend their entire lives on their lawns with two saucepans?

Quote by: Matt Yes, I agree. And that can be done with re-introducing natural predators or neutering them.

And for keeping the deer population at a level which doesn’t affect our property, hunting is the superior method, both as far as the deer are concerned (less deer killed overall*) and as far as humans are concerned (fun pastime).

*And yes, this is the case because we’re talking about keeping the deer population at a level which doesn’t affect our property; not simply at the level which they would naturally have been at before humans arrived.

Quote by: Matt No, I don't.

So you acknowledge that people have the right to kill pests which invade their house and cause damage?

Quote by: Matt I have proven hunting is unsustainable. I have proven deer would rather be hunted by natural predators then hunters. I have proven through common sense deer would rather be neutered then killed. If you want, I can repeat all my reasons for those for the 10th time

And I can repeat my counter arguments again and you can ignore them again.

Your “proof” that hunting is unsustainable is that most trends will continue indefinitely. You haven’t sourced this claim or provided anything of substance to back it up.

Your “proof” that deer would rather be hunted by natural predators than hunters relies on us giving up our territory to the deer. Not going to happen.

Your “proof” that deer would prefer to be neutered than killed relies on a false comparison between the mind of a human and the mind of a deer.

Quote by: Matt You haven't proven most of my points wrong that hunting is unstustainable, and that deer would rather be hunted by natural predators then humans.

I don’t have to prove them wrong because I’m not the one proposing that something be made illegal. The burden of proof is on you.

Quote by: Matt That does not mean they are overpopulated, look in the dictionary please.

My garden is no longer a deer’s habitat; it’s mine. If they stray into my habitat and therefore into potential danger to find food, then their own habitat is clearly not able to meet their needs.

And also, using your own definition from earlier in this thread, the deer damage people's property and the population is therefore at a level which causes environmental damage. Overpopulated.