[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt It is not our property really, we bought it with money...and we can really say it is our property to other humans, who understand. Wildlife doesn't, and they shouldn't be treated like they do, unless you put them on a equal level as humans.

It doesn't matter if someone knows they are doing something wrong. The damage is still being done and we still have a right to prevent it. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Quote by: Matt The habitat in some areas the deer have been crammed into cannot hold them, because it wasn't meant to,

That doesn't change the fact that it's still their habitat. If it can't hold them, it's because they're, by definition, overpopulated.

Quote by: Matt Yes there is, and there are better ways for keeping a deer off a lawn too. A) A motion detected sprinkler B) A dog C) Some clanging pots.

A) Expensive B) Some people don't like dogs and would require the dog to be in the garden 24 hours a day C) Requires people to be in their house, on the lookout, 24/7.

Keeping the deer population down is by far the best way of protecting our property from them. Prevention is better than cure.

Quote by: Matt I like rats personally, they have can have the intelligents level of a dog, so if I had them in my house, I would live trap them, and re-locate them to a more natural setting. With cockroaches, it would depend on the number. I would most likely try to collect them in a container and move them to somewhere they wont cause issues.

And you expect other people to take this course of action?

Quote by: Matt I don't mind debating if it should be banned or if it is needed or whatever. I've said my points why it should be banned and why it is unnecessary, a couple have been proven wrong, I admit, but most really haven't.

If you want something to be made illegal, the burden of proof is on you.

You haven't proven that hunting is unsustainable.
You haven't proven that deer would prefer to be killed by wolves.
You haven't proven that deer would prefer to be neutered.

Quote by: Matt If you want to get back to the wolf/cougar thing and how I showed they would actually kill less deer but the deer populations wouldn't be overpopulated, be my guest.

But you didn't show that. The only way wolves and cougars would kill less deer is if we allowed the deer to remain overpopulated (i.e. still allowed them to come onto our territory and damage our property).

Quote by: Matt How is my postion untenable?

Because you haven't been able to prove that hunting is any worse a method of population control than natural predation or neutering.