[Maryjane]

@ Pale Rider:

You clearly have not been following the cases through the lower courts

No I haven't been following it. I've had plenty of other legal issues to deal with that do effect me on a personal level at the current time. Besides, it's impossible to get pregnant when you are celibate.
It doesn't effect me so why would I need to? I don't think you have to worry about having one either, seeing as you are male and unless by some miracle you'd never have to have one either.

and apparently have ignored the fact that late term abortion has already been banned.

How can I ignore something if I haven't been following it?

What I do recognize is pro lifers like to misguide people with their statements. What's the percentage of people having late term abortions? Any idea? It's not the misleading and inflammatory numbers pro lifers like to spout. (If you recall that's when I stepped into this debate when another member was giving false information) People can still have late term abortions, abet, under very close scrutiny and there are provisions.

"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself."

That decision was an open invitation for states to further restrict access to abortion which will invariably lead to lawsuits, some of which will reach the supreme court which, in case you haven't noticed, has a conservative majority these days.

In case you haven't noticed, we live in a litigious society. Some will, some won't. Are you betting it will stay a conservative majority forever?

A majority which actually looks to the constitution when deciding cases rather than looking to foriegn sources in an attempt to justify a decision based on an already existing agenda.

I know how the court systems work, don't patronize me. That's the personal issue I've been dealing with while you've been obsessing over something that doesn't concern you on an intimate level.

And you seem to assume that somehow women are being forced to get pregnant.

Exactly how did you come to that conclusion?

Perhaps you misunderstood? I insinuated that if all abortions are denied, don't be surprised when women start making false accusations that they were forced into sex against their will.

If the choice isn't there, one of the alternatives will be to go to back in time to back alley abortions to terminate a pregnancy. But pro lifers don't want to concern themselves with that (as you already admitted) because it's only certain lives they care about.

Surely they know how they become pregnant and when the option of abortion on demand is no longer available, you seem to assume that they will continue merrily along if they must actually accept the consequences of their actions.

Who's assuming now?

Some actually don't. My 10 year old is having three days of family life classes this week concentrating on puberty, the reproductive system, HIV and AID's. I gave my full parental consent even though these are topics we've already discussed. Some parents opt their kids out, they don't want them knowing about their own anatomy and how their reproductive system works. I can think of a number of religious groups that would like this kind of information suppressed.

You know, this is what ticks me off about pro lifers. They seem to believe that women LOVE getting abortions. You must live in a dream world if you think every woman that becomes pregnant has both the financial and emotional support needed to bring a child to term. In a perfect world, the mass majority would love to bring that child into this world. Take a look around you...Do we live in a perfect world?

You must believe that women are very stupid.

Never, ever assume to know what I believe. You've been wrong so far and I don't see you getting it right in the near future.

They are only stupid if they allow others to take away their choices of reproduction.