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No, it's protecting our property.
But now we're here and we've created our own habitat in which deer are not welcome. We have every right to defend our territory against invading animals.
A two year old kid isn't a deer. There are better ways of keeping the kid off my lawn than killing it.
So you would allow a rat or cockroach infestation in your house?
I've said that keeping deer population under control is necessary, but I don't remember ever saying that hunting is the only way of doing this (though I was pretty drunk when I wrote some of those posts). In fact, I could probably find you two dozen instances in which I've said that natural predation is also a possible (though inferior) method of population control.
I also remember the variety of posts in which you have been arguing for a complete ban. I've argued several times against your idea that hunting should be illegal, and it is only now when your position is untenable that you deny this to be your argument and change it to an argument that hunting is not unconditionally necessary.
Of course this is a totally redundant position to take, since any leisure activity is unnecessary. That doesn't mean it's undesirable, functionless or that it should be banned. So if your argument is now that hunting is not unconditionally necessary, then I agree. But so what? |
It is not
our property really, we bought it with money...and we can really say it is our property to other humans, who understand. Wildlife doesn't, and they shouldn't be treated like they do, unless you put them on a equal level as humans.
The habitat in some areas the deer have been crammed into cannot hold them, because it wasn't meant to, since before human developement the deer could move around in many more places then they could now. That does not constitute as overpopulation, it accounts for us taking over.
Yes there is, and there are better ways for keeping a deer off a lawn too. A) A motion detected sprinkler B) A dog C) Some clanging pots.
I like rats personally, they have can have the intelligents level of a dog, so if I had them in my house, I would live trap them, and re-locate them to a more natural setting. With cockroaches, it would depend on the number. I would most likely try to collect them in a container and move them to somewhere they wont cause issues.
I don't mind debating if it should be banned or if it is needed or whatever. I've said my points why it should be banned and why it is unnecessary, a couple have been proven wrong, I admit, but most really haven't.
If you want to get back to the wolf/cougar thing and how I showed they would actually kill less deer but the deer populations wouldn't be overpopulated, be my guest.
How is my postion untenable?
Deer would rather natural predators (see my previous posts), and natural predators would keep the deer population from getting overpopulated, but would kill less then if hunters were doing it.