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Old Apr 22, 2008, 11:22 am   #157 (permalink) (top)
Jack
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LOL Like I need validation from you. My arguments stand on their own.
As do mine, which was the point of my comment.

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What a strange thing to declare on a debate forum? Self-defeating, isn't it? "Here I am trying to prove that I'm not proving anything."
The key word is "prove". Ignoring your nonsensical rewording of my statement, I'm not offering atheism as an alternative religion to theism. I try to get theists to critically view their faith and question their assumptions. That's what led me to the conclusion of atheism. Religions are internally inconsistent and contradictory. For many that's all that needs to be exposed. If you think you can "prove" Jesus never existed as a person to a degree that Christians will abandon their beliefs, go for it. I suggest that the historical record is too incomplete to "prove" such a thing.

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For Christians, you can't do that without challenging their faith which is rooted in the false assumption that Jesus existed. If you allow that their godman came and went, then you're pandering to their delusion.
I didn't, so why do I need to accept your word that it's necessary? Jesus existing as a man and existing as a god are two entirely different degrees of existence.

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And I hope you eventually realize how useless it is to attempt to shake Christian faith and allow Christians to claim that Jesus existed without challenge.
Will atheists then need to "prove" Joseph Smith never existed, or Ron Hubbard, in order to debunk the religions that were founded around them?


Morality Games, nicely composed post. Very good rebuttal.


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