[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt I disagree, I've watched Dr. Phil many times. He does look at society trends, like, for example, the divorce rate is going up every year. That is a society trend.

But I very much doubt he’s ever said every societal trend will continue indefinitely simply based on it being a trend. The fact that he says past behaviour can be used to predict future behaviour on an individual level and also happens to mention societal trends does not mean that the former observation applies to the latter field of study.

Quote by: Matt I love how you are quoting half my sentences, and leaving the other half out. What, you cut the other half out because when the two parts of the sentence are together they make sense?

If the premise is false, the conclusion is also.

Quote by: Matt I gave you proof, you seem to look over common sense trends and seem to think people caring about animals will just dissapear....

You saying that you believe a trend will continue doesn’t constitute proof that it will.

Quote by: Matt There was intent behind wolves, and cougars. God made them partly to keep the prey animals in healthy numbers, like deer. Humans were not meant to do that.

So your argument is based on religion. That speaks for itself.

Quote by: Matt No, but they are alot of the times.

Then you can pass a law against it. Still no reason to ban hunting itself.

Quote by: Matt Have you even read a word I have said? Wolves and cougars would kill less deer in a years period then hunters would, and they (cougars and wolves) would slowly get the population down to levels where no deer are starving. Humans however would want to get the population down so there are no deer in the parks, on their lawns, ect., and probably push the deer to levels lower then what it was before white man. So humans would kill more deer then natural predators.

If the deer are straying out of their habitat onto ours, then the wolves are clearly not keeping them under control.

Quote by: Matt The reason deer are overpopulated is because humans have killed most of their natural predators off. The reason deer have more dense populations is because we have started to cram the populations into smaller places with are developement, and the smaller regions cannot support all those deer, therefore some are starving. We caused the entire problem.

And we can solve it by keeping the deer population under control.

Quote by: Matt Again, I never said all. I don't view hunting in Africa bad if people need the food, for example.

Your OP asked why hunting in the Western world is necessary.

Quote by: Matt No, that doesn't mean that. They would normally roam in almost every place where we live (they were here first), and when they start wondering where we live for food (eg. lawns), it shows you we have taken over and are encrouching on their turf.

Our property is no longer their habitat; it’s ours. If they destroy our property, we have every right to stop them.

Quote by: Matt How is hunting necessary when natural predators can be re-introduced? In no way have you proven it's necessary.

It’s necessary to keep the deer population under control, and hunting is a perfectly valid way of doing this.