[Matt]

Quote by: Anmon You never know what could happen in the future, besides this great society of ours you seem to think will last forever is on the rapid slide, not to mention food sources growing scarcer, your kind is basically helpless without an open supermarket. Whereas my kind and the kids I help will be able to survive better, not squeamish about killing stuff and eating it, when your kind will be starving. Why not. Makes sense, you have to regulate hunting or all the animals will die. Not necessarily, starving would be bad, you probably don't know what thats like, I do. I was in the bush for nearly three days and I didn't have anything to eat, and no gun to shoot anything with. Its de sensitising them but, and even in a worse way than my real life hunting does, they get kicks out of killing imaginary people, and so they start to view people in real life with less compassion. No its just snuffing out a rabbit. pest, vermin, food.

You don't have to learn how to kill animals to survive out in the wild...do you understand that?

Why not? The kid could easily hit a human, and to put a kid through that is something I would never even put on my worst enemy.

Ahh, thank-you for saying that point, true, much more animals would die because humans take more then they need (see Bacon Guy....this comes from a true hunter). So it proves my point...humans would take more then they need...and be greedy about it. Thoguh if we introduced wolf packs, there would still be alot of animals, since they only take what they need. Thanks for proving my point.

Again, you can eat other things that animals while in the bush.

How is that worse? One you are killing imaginary things, and one you are snuffing out lives.

I don't know if you comprehend life other then human life very well.

Rabbit=life.

Quote by: DragonPaw My opinion on hunting is that hunting is only acceptable when the entire animal is used. That is, every part of the animal is put to use: bones, skin, eyes, brain, tongue, fur, hooves, horns, stomach, muscles, heart, etc. etc. - every part of the animal. Hunting where the animal's head is chopped off and mounted on a wall and/or just the "good" meat is cut out and eaten with the rest of the animal being thrown out to rot in my opinion is not acceptable - a waste of an animal's life. Hunting should be regulated - also in the way that hunters cannot over-hunt the healthy stags leaving only sickly, old stags to reproduce.

Good point, I mostly agree with that, and it would be a good compromise between hunters and anti-hunters.

Quote by: another day Jesus... are you really saying that taking a course to learn how to trap and kill animals for food would not help you survive out in the wild? This is pure madness...

You don't need to hunt to survive in the wild.

Quote by: Technosoul My first hunting trip (age 10) is an experience I will never forget, we got up real early and went out into the woods, but after a few hours had no luck spotting any game. I really wanted to prove I was a good hunter as my big brother was skilled hunter. I saw this blackbird way up in a tree and so I wanted to show what a good shot I was so I took aim and shot it, somewhat to my surprise it fell to the ground. We ran over and there it was on the ground, I only injured it by shooting off one wing, it lay there with it's big eye looking right at me as if to say "why did you do that"? I felt real guilty because I had to finish the kill. So my brother took the tiny black bird home with us and showed me how to remove the feathers and so forth. Then he had my mom cook it and there it was, the poor little bird on my dinner plate for supper. About two bites worth of meat at most. And he made me eat it. Then I dug a hole for the unused parts so that it would nurish the grass. It seemed like an eternity trying to eat those few bits of meat while I recalled that look of fear that the bird had as it lay there on the forest floor. Sad. After that I had a great respect for life, and that killing for fun is not so fun. I never really liked hunting after that.

I would feel the same way. I feel sick even when I step on a butterfly.

Quote by: The Bacon Guy There is no way to predict the future. Can you give me a reason why it won’t level off, as most trends do? Go for it then. Just be sure to leave enough prey for the hunters. I doubt that any given deer cares which of its fellow deer are killed. It will care if it is killed, and it is more likely to be killed if we rely on natural predators because natural predation will require more kills in order to keep the population down. This isn’t about one hunter vs. one wolf; it’s about hunters vs. wolves. There wouldn’t be the same number of each. In order to keep the population of deer under control, there could be ten hunters who each kill ten young, healthy deer or there could be fifty wolves who each kill five old, sick deer. Same effect as far as population is concerned, but more deer are killed by the latter method. Driving trucks is not an essential part of hunting. And it seems like you’re grasping at straws with the “motor vehicles scare animals” argument. Should we then ban all countryside recreation? This isn’t solely about physical pain though; it’s about what would cause less suffering, both mental and physical, to the deer. Why? It’s very possible that the story was the result of wishful thinking or lying and as such it is not proof. The fact that you happen to believe in one of the many possible explanations doesn’t lend it any credence. Not necessary. The best you’ve been able to quote from it can be debunked with ease. I talked to seven biologists. They all said you’re wrong.

Yes that is a quite reliable way, though of course you wont realize that, since it wouldn't side with your side of the debate. Past behavior is the only way to predict future behavior, ask Dr. Phil.

I asked you the question first, so please answer it, then I'll answer yours.

I can't go for it, Government does. My point was that re-introducing natural predators is better for the deer and is better for the ecosystem then hunting is. No one has proved me wrong yet.

Yes, they will care. Since the natural predator won't go after them (the younger healthier ones), and will go after the older sicker ones, which have already pretty much lived their life out. And you are actually wrong, mother deer would care if they lost their fawn, and a fawn would care if they lost their mother.

50 wolves would not kill 250 deer...unless you are talking about a very long time period.

For example, in one week, in a said area, there are 7 hunters who have no restrictions on how many deer they can kill. Lets say they are not greedy, and each take one deer, which would equal 7 deer in total. Then you put a pack of 7 wolves in and they don't have any restrictions on how many deer they can kill. They would probably as a pack kill two deer, enough to keep their bellies full, not more then they need.

That shows you hunters would take more then deer.

I'm saying they go into very remote places, not just countryside. And using ATVs or trucks in remote places is bad for the wildlife, thats why it has been banned where I live in alot of places.

Yes and if we can gauge their physical feelings, then we should use that. But we can also do mental too, since they have brains just like us. We know our brains would say to us "I don't want to die!" so why not think that about the deer's brain too?

Read this "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox." Isiah 11:6-11:7.

The above quote is referring to animals up in heaven, therefore they are having an afterlife. Since you are athiest, this wont work, but Anmon...since you are Christian...what do you think about the quote?

No, you used your wishful thinking to think it was a fabrication or a lye.

I talked to 4 more biologists, they said you are wrong.

Quote by: Anmon Harden up man its just a bird.

See Techno...this is what I have to deal with....