[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt Are you actually serious? The only way to predict future behavior is from past behavior.

There is no way to predict the future.

Quote by: Matt Since this trend is continueing, and has for probably 50 years or so, there is no reason why it wont continue to. Can you give me a reason why it wont?

Can you give me a reason why it won’t level off, as most trends do?

Quote by: Matt No, its pro-active and much better for the enviroment if we re-introduce them now, and then when people mostly stop hunting, the predators will be established in good numbers and they can keep the populations down.

Go for it then. Just be sure to leave enough prey for the hunters.

Quote by: Matt Oh please oh please help me. You say from the deer's perspective...so I tell you what a deer would like more...then you turn it into 'human reasoning'. I guess you do not want any answer, do you? More deer wouldn't have to be killed, and from the deer's prespective (thats what you wanted, right...or is it human...deer....human...deer....) they would rather a predator/unnatural predator go after the weaker and spare the younger ones with more life to live.

I doubt that any given deer cares which of its fellow deer are killed. It will care if it is killed, and it is more likely to be killed if we rely on natural predators because natural predation will require more kills in order to keep the population down.

Quote by: Matt Hunters would kill more deer then natural predators, since hunters take more then they need, natural predators do not, so from the deer's perspective they would rather a natural predator.

This isn’t about one hunter vs. one wolf; it’s about hunters vs. wolves. There wouldn’t be the same number of each.

In order to keep the population of deer under control, there could be ten hunters who each kill ten young, healthy deer or there could be fifty wolves who each kill five old, sick deer. Same effect as far as population is concerned, but more deer are killed by the latter method.

Quote by: Matt Actually, hunters can cause quite extensive damage to the deer's habitat and nature in general. They alot of the times go out on ATVs which are loud and scare wildlife, they also ruin vegetation they go over in most cases, which the deer would graze on. Plus, alot of hunters go out in trucks onto wilderness back country roads, which again disturbs wildlife.

Driving trucks is not an essential part of hunting. And it seems like you’re grasping at straws with the “motor vehicles scare animals” argument. Should we then ban all countryside recreation?

Quote by: Matt Both deer and humans can feel pain....both of us have the same general nervous system.

This isn’t solely about physical pain though; it’s about what would cause less suffering, both mental and physical, to the deer.

Quote by: Matt That says something, and we know we would not to be killed, we should at least put that onto a deer.

Why?

Quote by: Matt You never debunked it, you may have thought you did. Its your wishful thinking to think that everyone is having 'wishful thinking' or is lying.

It’s very possible that the story was the result of wishful thinking or lying and as such it is not proof. The fact that you happen to believe in one of the many possible explanations doesn’t lend it any credence.

Quote by: Matt Do you want me to mail the book to Britain? Seriously. *places sarcasm here*

Not necessary. The best you’ve been able to quote from it can be debunked with ease.

Quote by: Matt I talked to another biologist, she said you are wrong.

I talked to seven biologists. They all said you’re wrong.