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Impenitent · Nov 10, 2003, 03:40 am

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-Nietzsche was not saying this was acceptable.

that the strong would dominate the weak? not acceptable? re-read the antichrist, twilight of the idols and the will to power again, and don't forget to re-examine the genealogy of morals...

-He had no use for religion, nationalism or racism.

he most certainly did... he differentiated them as tools for the aristocracy or ruling class to use to manipulate the herd... if one was to exist with the herd that is... but that's another question of conscience...

-He believed humans would evolve to an even higher state--the overman.

no, the nazi's believed in that... Nietzsche set the ubermensch up as a goal at which to shoot when the other ideas of christian perfect being etc were demolished...

-Nietzsche would not have agreed with the present war and especially the present US administration.

wrong, Nietzsche would have loved the current war and any and every war, man's natural state according to Nietzsche is to conquer and fight constantly... that which does not kill me makes me stronger... Nietzsche abhored democracy in every form so his opinion of american government would be beside the point... and I never claimed that Nietzsche would embrase the government of the united states in this or any other administration...

-Why do you support the US actions and propoganda and use Nietzsche??? I do not believe you have ever studied him at all.

the current us actions are war... Nietzsche's entire philosophy was concerned with the conquering of the self and doing away with the frivolities and decadence of the metaphysical and the herd... Nietzsche understood the human need for war all too well... you need to re-read Zarathustra... I think your interpretation of Nietzsche's work is incorrect.

and why have you decided to post quotes from the antichrist? do you think I am christian? what does Impenitent mean? if you really wanted to post about a religion that Nietzsche would have tolerated you would have posted something about Buddhism... and you accuse me of not knowing Nietzsche?

and by the way, what was Zarathustra's final "sin"?
hint: it's the thing Nietzsche despised most about christians

p.s. if you had actually read from the link you posted, you would have seen section 2... I suggest you read it...

and for the home players here it is:
"2.
What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness.
What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.
Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity... "

Nov 10, 2003, 03:40 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	ff -Nietzsche was not saying this was acceptable. that the strong would dominate the weak? not acceptable? re-read the antichrist, twilight of the idols and the will to power again, and don't forget to re-examine the genealogy of morals... -He had no use for religion, nationalism or racism. he most certainly did... he differentiated them as tools for the aristocracy or ruling class to use to manipulate the herd... if one was to exist with the herd that is... but that's another question of conscience... -He believed humans would evolve to an even higher state--the overman. no, the nazi's believed in that... Nietzsche set the ubermensch up as a goal at which to shoot when the other ideas of christian perfect being etc were demolished... -Nietzsche would not have agreed with the present war and especially the present US administration. wrong, Nietzsche would have loved the current war and any and every war, man's natural state according to Nietzsche is to conquer and fight constantly... that which does not kill me makes me stronger... Nietzsche abhored democracy in every form so his opinion of american government would be beside the point... and I never claimed that Nietzsche would embrase the government of the united states in this or any other administration... -Why do you support the US actions and propoganda and use Nietzsche??? I do not believe you have ever studied him at all. the current us actions are war... Nietzsche's entire philosophy was concerned with the conquering of the self and doing away with the frivolities and decadence of the metaphysical and the herd... Nietzsche understood the human need for war all too well... you need to re-read Zarathustra... I think your interpretation of Nietzsche's work is incorrect. and why have you decided to post quotes from the antichrist? do you think I am christian? what does Impenitent mean? if you really wanted to post about a religion that Nietzsche would have tolerated you would have posted something about Buddhism... and you accuse me of not knowing Nietzsche? and by the way, what was Zarathustra's final "sin"? hint: it's the thing Nietzsche despised most about christians p.s. if you had actually read from the link you posted, you would have seen section 2... I suggest you read it... and for the home players here it is: "2. What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man. What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness. What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome. Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid). The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it. What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity... " "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...