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Old Apr 17, 2008, 10:08 am   #188 (permalink) (top)
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You keep making this unfounded claim that because I do
not think the whole system needs to be discarded that
I think every fault of the system is acceptable.
It may make you feel intellectually superior to think of
me in those terms, but it is not accurate.
The problem is, if you support a system in argument, you're ultimately supporting it's absues, even if you don't like them. That's actually one of the intended purposes of citizenship, to place us all under the same umbrella, for better or worse (though most often for worse). Ideologies can be such causal links, and the state ultimately is an ideology, as is capitalism. Yes, we can accept these arrangements, but we should expect all that typically comes with them, including the worst abuses.

It's also a matter of misperception.
If we work for an organization -- whether public or private -- and say, "this is not you or I, but the nation or the company," we're only deluding ourselves. But this happens everyday, and must happen if we are to have the state, capitalism, or any other mental subversion of the self and human community.

Grandpa h.


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