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Old Apr 16, 2008, 09:41 am   #113 (permalink) (top)
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Agreed, but in alot of places where deer hunting is occurring the populations are NOT overpopulated.
Well, like I said, in places where deer population is not and will not become excessive, people shouldn’t be hunting.

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Because deer were effected the most by humans killing off the cougars and wolves, and that is why the populations in some places are very high. We made the mistake, and the deer shouldn't pay for it by being killed.
We’ve not created a problem though; we’ve simply changed (I would argue improved) the manner in which deer are kept under control. We’ve really done the deer no disservice.

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Because other mammals here in North America are not that overpopulated, and haven't been as damaged by humans. Deer are the only ones whose populations have went very high in some places, and since it was a problem we created, we should neuter them and not kill them.
We’ve simply removed one method of killing the deer (wolves) and replaced it with a more efficient method of killing the deer (hunting). Why is this a bad thing?

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Not death by humans in North America. One is natural and needed, and one is unnatural and NOT needed.
But they’re both exactly the same thing as far as a deer is concerned. In fact, hunting is superior since less deer need to be killed in order for the population to be controlled.

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I'm using the only logic we can use. I know most people would rather get their reproductive organs removed then die, and since that is the only creature we can get into the brain of (in most poeple's opinions...not mine though), I'm applying it to deer.
And that’s where the logic fails. A deer is not a human and therefore applying human emotions and values to it will never be valid.

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Ok, so now please explain why thousands of people around the world have experienced communication with their pets directly or through a animal communicator after the pet is dead?
Thousands of people claim to have experienced it. There’s such a thing as the power of suggestion, coincidence, wishful thinking and downright lying.

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A lady in Germany had a orange cat that she loved alot. It died at a young age, and she was very distraught about her loss. She contacted an animal communicator and the person told her the cat was planning to come back to her soon. She asked how she would find him, the person said her cat will find her. While on a vacation to Italy, she was staying at a B&B (I think). She was looking around it and decided to head to the barn that was on the property. There, a mother cat just gave birth to a litter of kittens. One of the kittens was orange, and it walked right up to her, and it acted as if it new her forever.
So she had a ginger cat which died and then she met another ginger cat. Amazing.

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She took it home, realizing it probably is her cat who just came back from the afterlife. She talked to a animal communicator again, and the person confirmed her thoughts, her cat came back.
The animal communicator who makes a living off telling people their dead pets are talking to him.

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Again, at the same date the cat died before, it died again. Since then, the cat has come back another two times
So basically we have a woman who has owned four ginger cats in her life. Truly astounding.

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and it dies on the same date each time.
Possibly a coincidence though more likely a fabrication.

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Now please don't go saying "this person was just trying to make money".
That’s not the only reason someone will lie. Some aspects of the story may have been true and these may have convinced her that her animal’s soul is floating around. Then, since she’s utterly convinced that her story is true, she makes up some new aspects of it in order to make it more believable to others.

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From submitting her story to the book I read, she made no money.
According to the author of the book, yes. That’s assuming this lady existed in the first place and wasn’t simply a fabrication of the author. You really shouldn’t be so trusting of people who are trying to take your money.
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