[Matt]

Quote by: Technosoul opps, I thought this was about hunting for a good debate, hard to find a good debate nowadays. Anyway I guess this is about something else. Anyway, why go tramping around in the woods where bugs hunt people when you can stay in the comfort of your living room to go hunting. Virtual hunting: Online animal hunting may soon be reality How about that?

That is sickening and it shows you how lazy people are It also shows you the true spirit of some hunters. Thanks for posting it though, never knew about that.

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary You have to prove that deer and other animals would rather be neutered than killed. You are attempting to deny what has been considered a basic right since man picked up a spear and thrust it into a caribou's chest. To do this you need to provide a damn good reason why we should spend tax dollars on an expensive neutering program for all potentially pest animals when an option that actually fills state coffers and provides recreation is open and has been for thousands of years, not just a feeling or a guess.

You also said that it would be better for the deer to die then to live with out balls. You must give some evidence aswell.

Why would deer escape predators if they didn't want to live? Neutered animals still run from predators and would try to get away from hunters, that shows you they still have a desire to live.

Quote by: Anmon And fox hunter I have killed them too. No just kill them for meat. Why not, its just like anything else. There eating the natural wild lifes food supply, and taking over their habitats. Well we are above them, and I am all for animal conservation, I am actually a member of WSPCA. But some animals are a pest, are causing destructive patterns that effect the natural wildlife, and farmers crops and livestock, so they need to be shot. See above answer.

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about someone who would run a 'bunny hunting course' which hardly any kids would sign up for here.

The meat isn't needed.

How is it like anything else? If you go outside exploring and playing, you aren't snuffing out lives. If you go rabbit hunting, you are. Its not like everything else.

That was a problem caused by humans, not rabbits. The rabbits should not have to pay for our mistakes.

If they effect the natural wildlife, then I think they should be caught and transferred to places who will take care of them, with tax dollars. If they weren't effecting other wildlife, then I would just let them be.

Quote by: The Bacon Guy And what's best for the deer themselves is for them to have a population which doesn't exceed their habitat's ability to cope. That doesn't answer the question. Why do deer deserve this supposedly more humane treatment whereas other animals don't? Whether the deer want to live has no bearing on the practicality of neutering them. Not specifically the killing by humans. Death is the natural manner of population control for all animals; not neutering. If humans hadn't interfered, deer population would be kept in check by the killing of deer. Now that we have interfered, deer population is still kept in check by the killing of deer. What's is one ok but the other isn't? What makes you think it's a good guess, other than that it supports your side of the debate? It's worthless if you can't provide any direct evidence in this debate. Come back when you're willing to make the effort to prove your argument.

Agreed, but in alot of places where deer hunting is occurring the populations are NOT overpopulated.

Because deer were effected the most by humans killing off the cougars and wolves, and that is why the populations in some places are very high. We made the mistake, and the deer shouldn't pay for it by being killed.

Because other mammals here in North America are not that overpopulated, and haven't been as damaged by humans. Deer are the only ones whose populations have went very high in some places, and since it was a problem we created, we should neuter them and not kill them.

Not death by humans in North America. One is natural and needed, and one is unnatural and NOT needed.

I'm using the only logic we can use. I know most people would rather get their reproductive organs removed then die, and since that is the only creature we can get into the brain of (in most poeple's opinions...not mine though), I'm applying it to deer. Like I said its a guess, but its a guess that deer would rather live then being die, which is logical.

Ok, so now please explain why thousands of people around the world have experienced communication with their pets directly or through a animal communicator after the pet is dead? If you want, I'll give you a real story:

A lady in Germany had a orange cat that she loved alot. It died at a young age, and she was very distraught about her loss. She contacted an animal communicator and the person told her the cat was planning to come back to her soon. She asked how she would find him, the person said her cat will find her. While on a vacation to Italy, she was staying at a B&B (I think). She was looking around it and decided to head to the barn that was on the property. There, a mother cat just gave birth to a litter of kittens. One of the kittens was orange, and it walked right up to her, and it acted as if it new her forever. She took it home, realizing it probably is her cat who just came back from the afterlife. She talked to a animal communicator again, and the person confirmed her thoughts, her cat came back. Again, at the same date the cat died before, it died again. Since then, the cat has come back another two times, and it dies on the same date each time.


Now please don't go saying "this person was just trying to make money". From submitting her story to the book I read, she made no money.