[ryanatau]

EDIT: sorry I guess it did post but ill leave this because I am not sure how to delete it

Ok well I wrote something but it didn't post:

Basically what I said is that Morality Games is wrong. The logic of atheists and theists are not different. Rather the axioms that they choose are different.

MG, you seem to come from the analytic tradition in philosophy so I assume you are familiar with logical positivism. What we found out at the destruction of logical positivism is that axioms are create somewhat arbitrarily as prior to reason. As such they are fundamental. The difference in atheists and theists is their axioms from which logically follows what they believe.

I think I am a good example of this. I think of myself as fairly open-minded (you may disagree). However, when I ask myself "what would God have to do to convince me He exists?" I realize that nothing is convincing. If God taped me on the shoulder and said "I exist" I would immediately try to find a nature solution to the phenomenon. I would not accept that God exists.

The problem is that we are not strictly data interpreters. We are problem solvers. We see data and try to fit it into our existing set of beliefs. Fundamental and prior to these beliefs are fundamental axioms that are unprovable because they are created prior to reason (reason depends on them). Thus the William James quote "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."