[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt I answered your first question, see previous posts.

Your answer was that wolves go for older, less fit deer. You still haven’t told me why this is a good thing as far as overpopulation is concerned. Many more deer will have to be killed to keep the population down if we have wolves rather than hunters.

Quote by: Matt No...the deer have helped us live. Maybe if it wasn't for the deer, you would never have been born because your great great great great grandfather was starving and almost dead until he killed a dear walking right by him with a rifle.

Right, but the deer themselves never chose to help us.

Quote by: Matt Why not go and neuter them? I think you'd rather your tax dollars going to that re-decorating the office of a member of parliament,

Actually I’d rather just keep them myself.

Why not neuter them? Because it’s expensive and impractical, whereas killing them achieves the same end in a more efficient way. Other animal populations are kept in check by predation; it's the way nature works. So why should deer be treated any differently?

Quote by: Matt We already screwed up 'naturalness' many years ago, and we have to start fixing it with some uniques measures, like neutering.

Or predation. If natural is so great, why should we control the population by an unnatural means (neutering) when we can control it by natural means (killing)?

Quote by: Matt Option A-Get Killed: Its such a nice fall day outside, I can't wait till soandso is ready to breed. I hear something, who is there? Ahhh....dogs are after me...run...come on...you can.....run...Don't bite me there! Ouch....that hurts! *Bang!* What was that? Ahh, something is in me...I'm bleeding. I can hardly breath...all these dogs are around barking me...ahh...now I can't breath...only if I could live longer and breed.... Option B-Get Neutered: Its such a nice fall day outside, I can't wait till soandso is ready to breed. I hear something, who is there? Wawww..I feel dizzy...whats that thing sticking into to me...my eyes are closing...I can't stop 'em...I feel tired...*Neutering takes place*...what...where am I...what happened...I feel druzzy. Might aswell get up, looks like I am where I was last. Weird...I don't feel the same...I feel something missing. Anyhow, I'm still alive.

So…how does that prove that deer know what happened to them after they’re dead?

And how do you know a deer would feel this?

Quote by: Matt If you want evidence...here you go: Animals and the Afterlife, by Kim Sheridan. I'm sure you can get it at your local library.

I'm not going to go hunting round my library trying to prove your argument for you. That's up to you to do.