[HelioPrime]

^ that's just where the debate starts from I think.

Don't take this an insult: But non theists use that stance as "just thinking for yourself" as a way to say their not really debating, they are only promoting a perfectly innocent view. Non theists seem to have a view where if everyone thought for themselves then everyone would be an atheist, so those who still have faith have yet to use any thinking and need to be shown the truth.

It seems to stem from the atheist stance that their view is the absolute correct view. Some people, both theist and non theist clearly hold this view. Loser, Zhavric are perfect examples and I doubt you can deny they share a similar debate style.