[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt Most of the other 17 definitions related to human emotions or things like that, if I remember correctly.

You don't.

Quote by: Matt No, it related to me calling humans unnatural predators in North America. You haven't given me any evidence that we are natural predators in N. America, except for your opinion that everything is natural.

That and every one of the other twenty or so definitions of natural.

But this is just semantics. Again, how is a "natural" predator preferrable, from a deer's point of view, to an "unnatural" predator?

Quote by: Matt Hunting is already banned in national parks here in Canada I believe. But what about banning hunting of deer in non-park areas that won't become overpopulated?

Like I said, in an area in which deer population is maintained at an optimum level, I don't think people should hunt.

Quote by: Matt Well, they have fed early settlers to North America with life saving food, and there skins were used as clothes, when people couldn't afford or couldn't get cotton, or other materials to make clothes out of.

That's not things which deer have done for us; it's things which we have used deer for.

Quote by: Matt Also, we can't always say "Well, since that deer isn't doing anything for me, I'll go kill it!".

Straw man. My argument isn't that we should kill them because they haven't done anything for us; it's the we shouldn't go to the trouble of neutering them when they haven't done anything to warrant giving them considerable amount of money this would cost us.

Besides, it's "natural" for population to be kept in check by predation; not be neutering.

Quote by: Matt How do you know that? How do you know that breeding is thee most important thing in a deers life?

I didn't say it was; I said it was one of the greatest instincts. Their species wouldn't last long if it wasn't.

Quote by: Matt I know breeding for animals is very important, but that isn't all thats to life. Is breeding all there to life with humans?

Humans =/= deer.

Quote by: Matt If you can some how prove that living with out balls is worse then being killed, be my guest.

The burden of proof isn't on me. You're the one suggesting that we ban hunting and replace it with neutering. I'm asking for proof that neutering causes less suffering for a deer than death.

Quote by: Matt Men tend to put an emotional thing onto balls, and they put it onto other animals too, ever see the neuter your pet debate here? Only men, if I remember correctly, were saying that neutering can be bad.

It has nothing to do with an emotional attachment to one's balls. A deer would be unhappy about losing its balls. A deer couldn't be unhappy about being dead, since it's dead and therefore can't feel anything. Hence, the latter option is better for the deer.

Quote by: Matt I have a question for you, would you rather die right now, or live and get neutered? I know I would choose the latter one.

You're not a deer and neither am I.

Quote by: Matt Have you ever seen a hunter go after a very old or weak deer? I haven't. I just googled deer hunting, and it seems alot of it is about "and we went looking for the biggest buck..." sort of things. Do you ever see a hunter come back and say "Look at this nice old sick deer I killed!"?

That's purely anecdotal. And like I said, killing the young and healthy deer is a more efficient way of keeping the population down than killing old and unhealthy deer. Killing a young buck would eliminate the buck himself and also any potential offspring he may have had, whereas killing and old or sick deer will only eliminate that particular deer itself. So if you want to be killing as few deer as possible, hunting is clearly the way to go.

Quote by: Matt They do know what happens to them after they die....just like we would. Do you want some evidence?

I would love some evidence.