[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt I'm seeing you are trying to make your own 'laws', like saying the definition of the dictionary wasn't right or now, saying those aren't unnatural predators. Your point of view on something does not trump most peoples, including most people who study animals, views. So unless you can find where people who study animals say "rats and cats on Hawaii are natural predators", you are wrong. Meanings of natural: "being in accordance with or determined by nature" "occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature : not marvelous or supernatural" "growing without human care; also : not cultivated <natural prairie unbroken by the plow>" Those are some meanings of natural for you. Came from: natural - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Look at the last one, natural is considered something that has not been toyed with by humans.

Well, that isn't included in OLD at all and is one in about twenty eight definitions in MWD.

But I'll come clean here, Matt, and say that I have no idea what point this originally related to. So, what does that fact that humans interfered in the population of deer have to do with the question of whether we hunt them?

Quote by: Matt I have a question, do you agree then where deer are not overpopulated and wont become overpopulated, that they shouldn't be hunted?

In a place such as a national park, in which the deer population is kept at a optimal level, I have no problem with banning hunting.

Quote by: Matt Its pratical at saving lives...which is more important then money.

Emotional nonsense. Why should we be forced to spend ridiculous amounts of money in order to save the lives a herd of deer? To put it bluntly, what have they ever done for us?

Also, you haven't properly addressed Merc's point about neutering being worse than death. Two of the greatest instincts for an animal are survival and reproduction. An animal can't suffer if its ability to survive is taken away from it, since it's dead and can't feel anything. The same doesn't apply for an animal losing its ability to reproduce.

Quote by: Matt I did, I said deer would prefer natural predators since they would go after the ones who will die sooner, like sick or old ones, and the younger ones who have more life to live, are spared.

This will benefit neither the deer which is killed, nor the species as a whole. Also, I've still not seen evidence that hunters prefer to kill young and healthy deer.

Quote by: Matt Plus deer, after they are dead, know how they were killed and know what happened to there body.

How can they know anything after they're dead?

Quote by: Matt I'd much rather know my remains went to help another creature live, then see my head hanging up on a wall and seeing my meat wasn't needed.

You're not a deer though.

Quote by: Matt Where did I say 'all' in my opening post?

The post refers to hunting; not to hunting animals other than those which will become overpopulated.