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Quote by: Gods_Mercenary  That's not the choice, Matt, since a dear doesn't have the entertainment options open to humans, I'd imagine mating is what keeps him going. Does wandering around looking at all the other males do what nature intended while your biggest thrill is raiding my neighbors garden sound like a fun existence? Whats the point of evading coyotes and bears if your life has no meaning? If a deer had thumbs he'd probably take the gun himself and say at least he is no longer a drain on the other dear's resources (O.K. that part was a joke) |
A deer would rather live then getting killed. Period. Lets not get stupid here.
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Quote by: The Bacon Guy Yes I can. People use words incorrectly all the time. The fact remains that nature is defined simply as the physical world and everything in it. Hence anything which exists is natural.
And what's better for the deer is to have a population which doesn't exceed their habitat's ability to cope with them.
Again, neutering is not a practical solution to the problem and you still haven't provided any reason that a deer would prefer to be killed by a wolf than a hunter.
The other definition refers to population exceeding carrying capacity, symptoms of which can be environmental degredation etc. That's not the same as simply environmental degredation.
Your opening post suggested that all hunting was a bad thing. People are simply using an example to prove this wrong. |
I'm seeing you are trying to make your own 'laws', like saying the definition of the dictionary wasn't right or now, saying those aren't unnatural predators. Your point of view on something does not trump most peoples, including most people who study animals, views. So unless you can find where people who study animals say "rats and cats on Hawaii are natural predators", you are wrong.
Meanings of natural:
"being in accordance with or determined by nature"
"occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature : not marvelous or supernatural"
"growing without human care; also : not cultivated <natural prairie unbroken by the plow>"
Those are some meanings of natural for you. Came from:
natural - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Look at the last one, natural is considered something that has not been toyed with by humans.
In most places in Canada, where alot of deer hunting takes place, the deer are not overpopulated. And only in some places are deer in the USA. I have a question, do you agree then where deer are not overpopulated and wont become overpopulated, that they shouldn't be hunted? Your main point is that deer hunting is needed to keep the population down, and since in many, many places deer are not overpopulated, you don't have any good reasons to kill them there, do you?
Its pratical at saving lives...which is more important then money. I did, I said deer would prefer natural predators since they would go after the ones who will die sooner, like sick or old ones, and the younger ones who have more life to live, are spared. Plus deer, after they are dead, know how they were killed and know what happened to there body. I'd much rather know my remains went to help another creature live, then see my head hanging up on a wall and seeing my meat wasn't needed.
Where did I say 'all' in my opening post?
They haven't proved me wrong so far. Its fine if people want to focus on the one thing they think they have the best chance of winning on, but if no one takes me on about hunting of other species, I guess I win on those.
