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Quote by: vysis This is the Los Angelos Times, a credible source. I would have cited Xinhua News Agency as i source, but i doubt you would believe those as credible sources.
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I don't doubt they were on a homicidally rampage. However, this rampage, both could have been avoided, and could of been handled in a much better fashion. They certainly have in other parts of the world.
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Yes, those items will disperse a crowd. But the crowd will only get back again the next day. China's goal is to put down the unrest, not to delay it.
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While I have no doubt killing the rioters would stop them coming back, you can arrest them while they are trying to find out what hit them.
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Also, do you really think china has never tried using tear gases etc.. etc..? Of course they have:
Clashes leave 10 dead in Tibet - CNN.com
Quote "Police used gunfire and tear gas to quell the Lhasa protest, according to witnesses, human rights groups and Xinhua."
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Why not only use tear gas?
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Also, MILLIONS of people died in the "great leap forward". 20-43 million of Chinese people. Yet only 200 000 Tibetans died. I am not trying to make it sound like the lives of 200 000 Tibetans is not a significant number. However, when you consider that 20-43 million people died, it pretty obvious that the chinese government wasn't "treating Tibetans badly." It was universal and everybody was suffering. Tibetans are no exception.
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There are 2 million Tibetans (in Tibet, not outside of prefecture) in China. 200,000 means 10% died.
There are 1.3 Billion people in China. 20 million means 1.5%.
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I cannot comment on the Tianamin Incident because:
A. I wasn't even alive back then
B. I know nothing about it
C. It has nothing to do with our current debate.
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Fine to A. Shock and awe at B. Confusion at C.
you said:There is no prof that the Chinese government have tried anything worst the Guantanamo (as far as i know), if so. Please cite your source.
So I found proof.
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OF COURSE its ENFORCED and forced. The one-child policy is a LAW. Its not optional! These people should be happy they are not getting criminally charged. If you break the law and you don't want to suffer the consequences guess what? You still suffer them!
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...wow...
You're obviously not anti-abortion so let's skip that argument and move right to the next.
The only legal power they had to enforce this law was monetary. So the forced abortions were used because the local official wanted to show how obedient his prefecture was.
Also, not only was abortion being used, but also infanticide.
Finally, your ok with a country forcing it's citizens to abort a child (fetus) at 8.5 months against the will of the parents and done by physical force?
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If you are trying to say what an oppressive country China is, I agree with you. It is. Democracy doesn't happen overnight, especially not with 1.3 Billion people. However if you look at the significant progress China has made in the past 50 years, you will realize that it is on its way there.
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That's justification for letting a country run over it's citizens with tanks? I don't care if it happened in Antarctica, this is plain wrong.
It has nothing to do with the development of democracy, it has to do with the use of force on citizens, especially after getting high and mighty about the horrors Japan committed during WWII (Which were really horrific).
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The "riots" in Tibet are violent.
The "riots" in Tibet are getting innocent people killed.
The "riots" in Tibet aren't Riots. Its an rebellion.
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To the first two, I agree.
To the last...spare me.
Los Angeles riots of 1992 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That wasn't a rebellion. Neither is this. (a rebellion would be centered at freeing themselves from the government. This is just chaos).